Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[Mawlzy]

I mean that is not remotely the discords fault and I’d argue some of that is even developer playerbase mismatch the playerbase is attributing to each other.

Cosmic was totally fine as casual content. It makes sense that A ranks are harder, not engaging with the higher A ranks doesn’t block you from anything. Just because content is causal doesn’t mean 100% of it should be totally accessible to the lowest common denominator. Cosmic struck a really good balance there as literally the only thing not accessible to super casual people is the achievement for Golding every mission. Like even the “of the stars” titles can be earned from B ranks if you want. As for chaotic this seems to have devolved into casuals angry that the high end community was prioritised over them without realising the high end community doesn’t like chaotic either and yet somehow this is the high end community’s fault?

As for forked itself that just circles back to the original problem. If you can’t get enough people even randomly to force forked open then how can you also be mad at the discords for filling squares own void of content design

Last time I checked on Aether only Cactuar had finished Cosmic. Adamantoise has abandoned it. I don't think it remotely reached "fine."

I suspect the fundamental problem is that SE is not listening (else after the reaction to CAR, FT would never have been released), and angry WoLs have to sling their fireballs at someone.

[Jeeqbit]

Except that's how the system is set up. Clearly the INTENT is to allow a grab bag of randos to blindly stumble their way to victory rather than just premade groups galore. I get that that doesn't really WORK, but it's clearly still the INTENT, so waving around the word "rights" as if it's some set-in-stone rule feels like an overblown way to self-justify the hostility on display.

The amount of "if you even POTENTIALLY inconvenience me it's ok for me to be a jerk to you" in this thread is really, really troubling.

Most people aren't even saying it's ok to be a jerk, or to be rude, and again you can use the various reporting procedures that exist if someone is, be it SE's or the Discord server's, so they can investigate the individual.

They're just making the point that the Discords are there to help with something that probably won't get setup successfully any other way because of the coordination it requires to prevent a wipe. Typically these Discords have someone who does callouts. You simply move however they say and then you clear. This is how I got my BA clear. They often enjoy doing this so much that they continue doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, to help people. That's it...

This thread is a lot funnier when you realise a lot of people here are pushing 40 arguing why it's okay to kill randoms and bm their corpse in a video game because their discord buddies didn't get into the raid

Generally speaking, they aren't "buddies". There are 15-20,000 in most of these discords and over 40,000 in one of the others. They are randoms, just that these randoms were able to paste a discord link into their discord client.

[Kasumii]

Saying things like "we wont rez you" does sound like griefing to me and should definitely 100% be a reportable offense regardless of the content and context it was said in.

At that point its basically just bullying. I hope OP reported them and they at least get a slap on the wrist but given SE likes their content creators more than the average player I highly doubt it.

[Mawlzy]

Saying things like "we wont rez you" does sound like griefing to me and should definitely 100% be a reportable offense regardless of the content and context it was said in.

At that point its basically just bullying. I hope OP reported them and they at least get a slap on the wrist but given SE likes their content creators more than the average player I highly doubt it.

Mr. Happy should've been banned for pimping that disgusting breakfast cereal.

[Tyintheron]

Yes it’s intended for a grab bag of randoms to complete it even if that doesn’t work at all.

However there is a difference between “grab bag of randoms” and fully organised run where 1-2 spaces is taken by a random. If “grab bag of randoms” actually worked the organisation wouldn’t be necessary anyway

As the person who responded to OP stated they still offered a hand but in a grab bag of randoms nobody owes you anything anyway beyond bot actively griefing. Especially since the person who replied to OP showed OP died due to their own mistake, nobody killed them

So by the standards of grab bag of randoms the organised group did nothing wrong anyway

Except the "fully organized group" isn't the INTENT, it's the player-created EXCEPTION. They know the rules, and they know the way it works. Getting mad at the world for not bending to you and your friends' almighty will is the messed up part, here.

Imagine that a new set of Pokemon cards come out, and if you can buy the whole box, you get the whole set, guaranteed! So you and your buddies at the Lower East Side Pokemon Fight Club agree to buy one pack each - your group wants the whole set, and if you can't get all the packs you won't get that guaranteed win!

But then - HORRORS - a little girl comes in and has the GALL to not recognize how tough it was to get 25 40-year-old Pokemon nerds into a single shop at the same time. And when you explain to her you guys really NEED all the cards because if you can't have ALL the cards life isn't worth living, and organizing big groups of nerds is hard, and then hint that you can't guarantee she won't have a horrible accident on the way home if she sticks around.

But she just wants to buy a pack. She heard this new set was cool! And, EVEN WORSE, she's third-last in line because Jerry and Steve were 5 minutes late. So in spite of your group's allegedly-justified moral outrage, she buys her pack anyway. Because there's no rule that says she can't, and she saved up, just like the rest of you.

Then you slash her bike's tyres on the way out, and congratulate yourselves on a job well done because HOW DARE SHE. We're clearly in the right because... something about Discord, for some reason..?

That's kinda the vibe, here.

And, I've gotta be honest - "the organized group did nothing wrong anyway" is a heck of a take to have, given the acknowledged "they deliberately got someone killed and refused to rez them" part of the story. You can say you would've done the same because you feel your prioities outweigh everyone else's all the time, but it doesn't make it "nothing wrong."

[Tyintheron]

Most people aren't even saying it's ok to be a jerk, or to be rude, and again you can use the various reporting procedures that exist if someone is, be it SE's or the Discord server's, so they can investigate the individual.

They're just making the point that the Discords are there to help with something that probably won't get setup successfully any other way because of the coordination it requires to prevent a wipe. Typically these Discords have someone who does callouts. You simply move however they say and then you clear. This is how I got my BA clear. They often enjoy doing this so much that they continue doing it out of the goodness of their hearts, to help people. That's it...

I understand the point trying to be made. I just disagree with the "people aren't saying it's okay to be a jerk" part when the defenders of causing someone a death on purpose, followed by refusing to rez them, are claiming those are somehow justified actions.

I mean, you can say you feel it's justified because of whatever reason you want, but there's not some kind of lack of clarity about whether or not that kind of thing is an uncool - even reportable - thing to do.

[Atreus]

Maybe the illustrious citizens just want to see inside the gate.

Then they don't need to snipe organized groups to do that.

[Kasumii]

I think that nails it. That is the vibe I am also getting and have been getting from the community for a while. Try doing OC at peak times on aether. I have had people barge into shout chat demanding half the instance leaves so their beloved discord group can do FT.
And that just makes me unreasonably angry. What right do you have to tell others to leave and make room for you and your clique?

I think the whole system SE made with FT is just backwards.

Its a piece of content clearly designed for the upper .1% of players (yet again) but with entry requirements that make it look and feel like CLL or dalriada from Bozja.
They need to desperately rework the entire system completely. Remove FT and put it in its own bubble like DRS and give us some actual decent casual content like CLL back. Have it give us coins or gear upgrade mats. There is so much they COULD have done and instead they pandered to the hardcore crowd yet again in a move that leaves both casuals and hardcore players dissatisfied...

[Mawlzy]

Then they don't need to snipe organized groups to do that.

Are you done with FT? Because if not, you're walking a very dangerous line here.

Neither you nor I know whether, in any particular instance, players are "sniping" or simply trying to enter public content.

Fortunately for you and yours, most people don't read the forums. Including apparently SE. Because if most players did, the current firestorm would look like a sparkler next to the Sun.

What many "snipers" will experience is being told to get off the platform or leave the instance entirely, because the important people have just showed up and are on a schedule for their next reclear.

Having been denied the ability to interact with FT, and been given bugger all else to do of any merit for nearly 12 months, they may very well conclude that the only way they can actually interact with FT is to scupper as many Discord runs as possible.

Hey maybe they will even start their own Discord. Something like FF14FFT. And you will be well and truly forked.

Meh... if the game was any good I wouldn't be typing these idle speculations.

[Kasumii]

Are you done with FT? Because if not, you're walking a very dangerous line here.

Neither you nor I know whether, in any particular instance, players are "sniping" or simply trying to enter public content.

Fortunately for you and yours, most people don't read the forums. Including apparently SE. Because if most players did, the current firestorm would look like a sparkler next to the Sun.

What many "snipers" will experience is being told to get off the platform or leave the instance entirely, because the important people have just showed up and are on a schedule for their next reclear.

Having been denied the ability to interact with FT, and been given bugger all else to do of any merit for nearly 12 months, they may very well conclude that the only way they can actually interact with FT is to scupper as many Discord runs as possible.

Hey maybe they will even start their own Discord. Something like FF14FFT. And you will be well and truly forked.

Meh... if the game was any good I wouldn't be typing these idle speculations.

Adding on to that: Nothing is stopping those organised discord cliques to... step of the platform themselves and find a new instance if they really really really do not want to deal with those evil people standing on THEIR platform in THEIR instance that THEY claimed a week ago.

The absolute elitism boggles my mind. And is a reason why I will refuse to even attempt FT this time around. I still dont get why they would put Ex/Savage/Anything higher than CLL levels of difficulty into the PvE mode clearly meant for the more casual crowd who has no interest in watching 3 hour videos, memorising 30 different raid plans and reserving 6 to 10 hours for their FT run a day...