Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[Saraide]

I mean the "archaic" design is exactly what they were going for, and it hasn't stopped players from clearing the content they presented. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's failed content.

You can organize it in-game through text, but most people with a crumble of common sense would ask why don't we just do this through voice? Cuz it's easier to call out on voice than to have to write stuff mid-mechanics.

I'm not sure why you're so scared of discord anyways, you can outright mute yourself and follow instructions and get through FT just fine.

I on the other hand am quite sure why the person you responded to has a difficult time with discord.

[itachi-otsutsuki]

We 100% agree this is only possible to do via discord organisation in a practical sense

That doesn’t mean it’s the discords fault it’s like this nor are they the problem or some kind of boogeyman, they are doing the best with what they have because of squares awful design decisions. I think it’s rather pointless demonising the discords over this

Overall you are probably right, the root cause is SE for some incomprehensible reason choosing a janky 10 year old eureka entry method for a savage alliance raid.

I just despise the toxicity this is breeding towards casuals-randoms who are referred to as snipers. And that is a choice in part by the people who run these discord groups. It is an entirely expected outcome, but I still don't approve of their behavior.

[itachi-otsutsuki]

I mean the "archaic" design is exactly what they were going for, and it hasn't stopped players from clearing the content they presented. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's failed content.

You can organize it in-game through text, but most people with a crumble of common sense would ask why don't we just do this through voice? Cuz it's easier to call out on voice than to have to write stuff mid-mechanics.

I'm not sure why you're so scared of discord anyways, you can outright mute yourself and follow instructions and get through FT just fine.

Who says I am scared? I tried to enter via discord, I just absolutely hate the hoops you have to jump through to get in a run, even WITH discord. The content is failed period. 99% of people will give up just trying to get any consistent prog going.

[0blivion]

Nah, the discord mods are typically toxically positive and insist group leaders carry snipers through, and the community kinda has to filter them out quietly as a result.

[Atreus]

The answer, in my opinion, is very straightforward.

The first time was a mistake.
The second time was intentional.



This is what is colloquially known as "lying".

lol, thank you for finding that snippet. They really thought they were cooking with this new zone.

[Supersnow845]

I’ll remind people pointing to BA as an example of “see it’s fine BA works like this”. BA “works” because it’s been nerfed 6 ways from Sunday since it launched

When it was current we were melding imperial jade accessories and running healers in Templar and defensive magia. Now 70% of damage can come from 5 people doing DE and everyone has an osode and our main stat is maxed when we used to have to meld it

AND even launch BA wasn’t as hard as forked because Art and owain or Raiden don’t enrage and the only personal responsibility mechanic in the entire raid is on ozma

No matter which side of the argument you stand on modern BA mostly “working” isn’t an argument for or against forked

[OdinelStarrei]

Overall you are probably right, the root cause is SE for some incomprehensible reason choosing a janky 10 year old eureka entry method for a savage alliance raid.

I just despise the toxicity this is breeding towards casuals-randoms who are referred to as snipers. And that is a choice in part by the people who run these discord groups. It is an entirely expected outcome, but I still don't approve of their behavior.

The toxicity is a two way street.

What would you rather be called?

A "sniper" in a video game?
Or a manipulative, selfish, sociopath?

One of those is worse than the other.

And at the neverending tug of war, who is watching, and not saying a single word?

Square Enix, and the development staff.

Perchance, have you seen that JP post where someone did get in to a fairly large instance, sprinted forward and pulled the boss, and then yanked all 40+ people in a boss room with no waymarkers, no discussion, no planning, intentionally so that all those people who used ciphers, nevermind spent their evenings preparing to go in, had their raid destroyed?

That's pretty bad.

[Mawlzy]

Perchance, have you seen that JP post where someone did get in to a fairly large instance, sprinted forward and pulled the boss, and then yanked all 40+ people in a boss room with no waymarkers, no discussion, no planning, intentionally so that all those people who used ciphers, nevermind spent their evenings preparing to go in, had their raid destroyed?

That's pretty bad.

There'll be more of this. This deafening silence from SE on this royal eff up will see more frustrated players acting out.

Not defending the behavior, just noting how frustrated people can behave.

[Volgia]

The answer, in my opinion, is very straightforward.

The first time was a mistake.
The second time was intentional.



This is what is colloquially known as "lying".

Maybe he regretted it then, but BA has been popular for a long time, so maybe it was a happy mistake, cuz I agree this was intentional, and I don't think it's a bad thing.

Teamspeak existed back then yes but it was just that, teamspeak (we only used ingame chat tbh) and the number of players using it was quite low.
No raid plans like today, no pings with passwords or such things.

CLL, Dalriada and all of that went dead for a while. Whereas BA still has a community around it doing content even 8 years after it came out. Also, that was not my experience, every single hard-type content raid I got asked to join a Ventrilo (which I think you needed to connect in a F2P with passwords and ips) or Teamspeak. Organizing it through text was a nightmare.

Most people hate the fact that they have to submit to a clique gatekeeping this content, but they do it anyway or they will never get the mount or the achievements. If they don't submit to the clique they will get griefed. Just because that's how it's been doesn't mean people are happy with it. This issue with Forked Tower is just bringing the long-running undercurrent of discontent to a head.

I think people don't know what they want. They want to get through the content but if it were too easy it'd be dead within a few weeks or months (I had instances at the end of ShB where getting into Dalriada was simply impossible where as I had no issues grabbing a group for BA on EW's drought), so what you think is bad or inconvenient might turn out not to be so.

[Mawlzy]

Nah, the discord mods are typically toxically positive and insist group leaders carry snipers through, and the community kinda has to filter them out quietly as a result.

Sounds like a really healthy community all round. Do y'all cackle on vc as you leave "snipers" dead on the floor? Maybe make some videos, it'd be prime YT content.