Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[Jeeqbit]

I see we've reached the point in the discussion where hardcore raiders start trawling around for data to claim "the content is fine, actually," despite the fact the rest of the player base can see it's shit.

Being a raider doesn't mean you're hardcore (you could quite literally sub, join a discord run and clear quickly due to callouts, then unsub for 2 years), and I don't think there is anyone actually saying this was a good entry system. They are just saying that, despite the bad entry system, social interaction and etiquette exists.

If they really wanted to do it this way, they should have:

• Allowed people to form 48-person PFs without being warned by a GM.
• Allowed people to enter as an alliance of 48 (it only lets you enter as up to 8 people).
• Had multiple Forked Tower instances in any given instance.
• Allowed the alliance leader to reserve a Forked Tower instance and set a password, then the alliance all enter it.
• Scrapped the weather. It's a needless delay that artificially extends the raid time and leaves everyone tapping their foot.

Wait, so now people not only have to join a Discord but they have to be able to host their own new people runs? You guys keep moving the goalposts here.

I don't know if anyone actually said that, but obviously most people are not saying or expecting people to host their own runs. They are just saying that you can and that it's possible to if you have the confidence and initiative.

This argument stems from the fact humans rarely take initiative. Let's take party forming, for example. If 100 people type /shout lfg, but none of them actually right-click and invite eachother, then none of them took the initiative. In a similar way, if 1000 people try to join a run, but only 1 person organizes a run, then only 48 of them get to do a run.

So they're just saying that if people are struggling to get into a run then it may be that more people need to take the initiative to organize one. But not everyone's gonna be able to bring themselves to do that, just like not everyone's going to be able to bring themselves to invite people who type "lfg" at CEs. Fortunately, not everyone has to - just enough have to.