Difficult experience in Forked Tower – a reminder to respect public content

[0blivion]

@ Tyintheron
Regarding all the unhinged meltdown stuff about how actually, "what if this is my only chance to get in". You wouldn't have a chance if you didn't steal the chance from one of the people who bothered to organize. Especially with 7.3 making it more transparent, people will just leave the instance when uncooperative snipers join, eventually ending that sort of behavior. As for languages, I speak more than enough languages and usually, when you don't understand, you communicate (possibly in your language!) that you do not speak English. And if you did have a 48man premade but scouted alone... Man, I'm not indulging that BS. Nobody scouts instances like that, cuz that's not what instances work like. Most premade 48man force a fresh instance to open unless they end up with 4 out of 6 parties in the same old instance, which is the only time someone would politely ask if others could reinstance. If not, it's fine: You just wait for the instance to fill and requeue. But if you've spammed CEs/FATEs for tower, done spreadsheets and rosters, and you tell someone to please step off the platform, and they don't do so... Yeah, that's shitty behavior, and the premades are well within their right to leave those people on the floor. It's also not about being "too slow", showing that you have clearly not been in Tower. The snipers stack up to 6 ciphers to brute force their way into a party they don't belong in, even when asked to leave and join a newbie run in a discord, being actively welcomed to join future organized runs. OP stacked 3 ciphers. What's normal is 1, 2 if there's a sniper. That is intentional malice, and while the game lets them, they do not deserve a raise.

And again, I can tell you haven't done Tower when you say this shit about the TB. The TB is baited outside, you cannot kill single people with it unless they literally stand in front of the boss. In which case they shouldn't be sniping a premade that is at a further prog point! This is not rocket science! The random sniper isn't in their party. They're basically a random in OC. And you can't get all randoms in OC who don't raise you banned. You're not aiding the enemy by not helping an unaffiliated player.

/e: And no, you are not entitled to wasting 2 hours of 48 people's time, actually.

[Tyintheron]

Apologies, 0blivion - it won't let me quote everything I wanted to respond to, here, so I'll just keep it short.

Basically: I don't think it's "unhinged" to give you some examples of how real life can get in the way of Hardcore Raid Team Super Gamma Bravo getting a full 48-man squad. But it sounds like the premade stuff is getting fixed, so - good. Hopefully it'll stamp down on the hostility.

And you're right - I haven't done the raid! The reason I've been posting here has just been that the sheer hostility has been really surprising. "You were here before us? LEAVE, OR DIE!" being some generally accepted "yeah, this is fine" solution to the systemic design problems is, honestly... I just find it really sad, man.

Because I think that for every genuine "stream sniper" being a jerk to a Twitch whateveryoucall'em, there are probably 100 new players not understanding why the other 47 people in the new raid they wanted to see are being a dick to them.

So, if your crew DOES offer new players a chance to run with you later? That's cool, bud. Sincerely. THAT is what there needs to be more of.

But I'd also urge you to not just assume stuff like "3 cyphers means this person is a tool" - because they really might just have 3 cyphers on them and not know any better than to plug 'em all in to see the cool new stuff.

[Mawlzy]

Apologies, 0blivion - it won't let me quote everything I wanted to respond to, here, so I'll just keep it short.

Basically: I don't think it's "unhinged" to give you some examples of how real life can get in the way of Hardcore Raid Team Super Gamma Bravo getting a full 48-man squad. But it sounds like the premade stuff is getting fixed, so - good. Hopefully it'll stamp down on the hostility.

And you're right - I haven't done the raid! The reason I've been posting here has just been that the sheer hostility has been really surprising. "You were here before us? LEAVE, OR DIE!" being some generally accepted "yeah, this is fine" solution to the systemic design problems is, honestly... I just find it really sad, man.

Because I think that for every genuine "stream sniper" being a jerk to a Twitch whateveryoucall'em, there are probably 100 new players not understanding why the other 47 people in the new raid they wanted to see are being a dick to them.

So, if your crew DOES offer new players a chance to run with you later? That's cool, bud. Sincerely. THAT is what there needs to be more of.

But I'd also urge you to not just assume stuff like "3 cyphers means this person is a tool" - because they really might just have 3 cyphers on them and not know any better than to plug 'em all in to see the cool new stuff.

I'm assuming the defenders of the Discord hegemony in this and other threads represent a multitude of different Discords dedicated to this content?

We are told they are altruistic, all-inclusive, formed for the very purpose of helping all interested players clear FT.

And yet nowhere in any of these threads have I seen a single Discord invite link.

Have any of the big savage influencers actually said anything to curb this behaviour?
Because this, willfully not healing people after a res would be just the next level of appalling.
I don't know they might have?

They have actively encouraged it (letting people die).

[Tyintheron]

I'm assuming the defenders of the Discord hegemony in this and other threads represent a multitude of different Discords dedicated to this content?

We are told they are altruistic, all-inclusive, formed for the very purpose of helping all interested players clear FT.

And yet nowhere in any of these threads have I seen a single Discord invite link.

My wife and I don't really do the Discord thing, because it's full of young people, and young people are scary with all their TikToks and floss-dancing and hoverboards and such.

But I agree - 0blivion definitely needs to plug his crew in here, if that's allowed, because I'm sure there's more than one person reading the thread and wishing they could find a newbie-friendly group.