Paladin needs some changes

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

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"I mean, they pointed out when they added the trait that it was a stopgap measure until they could get the transferred damage to be mitigatable at both ends" - if this was truly the case and they actually had done that, I'd have been completely okay with it - but unless this has gone completely unnoticed for now 2.5 expansions since 5.0, this has not become the case. This I can perceive when I use things like HP shields (TBN) on myself and a Paladin covers me, it will fail to soak up the shield at all. It would also be incredibly weird to use given the presence of XYZ vulnerability up debuffs or debuffs granted from taking damage, depending on how the application of said debuff is coded.

Blocks were relevant for all OT-related buster things, which included but obviously wasn't limited to using Cover on your MT and absolutely dropping various single-busters down the bin with Cover + Sheltron + whatever you chose extra at the time. Technically if playing optimally (damage wise) you may have wanted to have the Paladin get enmity when possible anyhow for shield swipes every 15s and swap around to make use of Cover's mitigation as planned/desired. Short story - blocks were hella powerful.

As for "If you can't not be in it, damage can, well, assume that you'll be in it." - well this is sort of the thing, if you strictly speak for Stormblood and below, yes this is truly the case and it is a net positive. Shadowbringers onwards, the damage intake essentially is like you were in Sword Oath in Stormblood as a baseline, despite the trait - because that's how they balanced it, sorta. With Endwalker's mitigation adjustments and additions (Holy Sheltron + Re-addition of Bulwark, attack spell healing), this became less of an issue thankfully, but Shadowbringers felt dreadful at times because of this.

[Brandr]

Current PLD is perfect.

[Rithy255]

Current PLD is perfect.

Couldn't disagree more with this statement.

now 6.2 paladin was close to perfect

[Brandr]

Couldn't disagree more with this statement.

now 6.2 paladin was close to perfect

True. 7.x PLD is perfection!

[ThurinTurambar]

Now that i've done a bit of paladin at lvl 60 in a solo scenario, i would suggest a bit of a change:
- Give sheltron a 100 potency regen, Holy Sheltron would still be a gigant upgrade, from 100 to 250, and base sheltron would become an actual good button.

Rest i feel is pretty good, but current situation is that its single target damage is not good, and has not enough self sustain for good aoe.
Ofc when healer is around its completely seperate situation. In PotD when paladin struggles for life in a pull, warrior would pull double the mobs and still be fine.

Of course im only talking about early level paladin, mentioned level 60, and devs probably wont care for things that arent endgame levels. It would still be nice to have tools of relatively same strength on similar levels between jobs.

[Rithy255]

Now that i've done a bit of paladin at lvl 60 in a solo scenario, i would suggest a bit of a change:
- Give sheltron a 100 potency regen, Holy Sheltron would still be a gigant upgrade, from 100 to 250, and base sheltron would become an actual good button.

Rest i feel is pretty good, but current situation is that its single target damage is not good, and has not enough self sustain for good aoe.
Ofc when healer is around its completely seperate situation. In PotD when paladin struggles for life in a pull, warrior would pull double the mobs and still be fine.

Of course im only talking about early level paladin, mentioned level 60, and devs probably wont care for things that arent endgame levels. It would still be nice to have tools of relatively same strength on similar levels between jobs.

I agree with giving sheltron a 100 potency regen (though id also include intervention with this, give it the same 100 potency regen until the upgrade at 82 it gets), Paladin lacks any form of sustain outside clemency early on and 100 potency regen isn't too a lot but enough that its noticeable.

Though I'd personally want magic attacks way eariler (such as a early version of holy spirit) because Paladin feels a bit empty and not like a "Paladin" until later without magic attacks.

[bundythenoob]

WAR and GNB are allowed to have some of their core abilities as early as ARR, don't see why PLD and DRK can't get the same treatment with early Holy Spirit and BloodSpiller
Sheltron could use a duration buff too alongside the added regen, 4 seconds of mitigation isn't a whole lot when compared to Camouflage and Dark Mind

(why is Camo a lv 6 skill anyway? what do we gotta do to get Dark Mind and Bulwark that early??)

[Carighan]

I suspect it's done so that tanks don't all feel the same, at least until you hit max-level.

[nostalgiaday]

All the things you mentioned just indicates you never play paladin in any hard content

[Nero-Voidstails]

All the things you mentioned just indicates you never play paladin in any hard content

even in normal they can be useful but I just think he play with people he knows and they knows what they are doing