Paladin needs some changes

[Rithy255]

Why would you want to make an iconic PLD skill a role action? Should we give deployment tactics to every healer? Should we give mantra or tempra grassa to every DPS?

Like please let classes have unique utility

Unique utility that has 0 uses vs a ability thats actually useful and fun.

for cover to actually be useful paladin would need to be required.

I'm not against classes having unique useful utility but the idea that cover makes paladin unique or stand out is a joke, its a skill you shouldn't even have on your hot bar.

[Supersnow845]

Unique utility that has 0 uses vs a ability thats actually useful and fun.

for cover to actually be useful paladin would need to be required.

I'm not against classes having unique useful utility but the idea that cover makes paladin unique or stand out is a joke, its a skill you shouldn't even have on your hot bar.

Cover had plenty of uses, honestly if you genuinely think cover is a useless skill then you might be the problem here (no offence)

Cover is easily the best or second best (alongside deployment) unique utility in the game

[Rithy255]

Cover had plenty of uses, honestly if you genuinely think cover is a useless skill then you might be the problem here (no offence)

Cover is easily the best or second best (alongside deployment) unique utility in the game

Can you like name instances where cover has actually been useful for it's intended purpose in a fight? I haven't done anything recent so maybe its changed? but i highly doubt cover has a genuine use case that isn't already fulfilled by intervention.

[Shistar]

Can you like name instances where cover has actually been useful for it's intended purpose in a fight? I haven't done anything recent so maybe its changed? but i highly doubt cover has a genuine use case that isn't already fulfilled by intervention.

Maybe it's not *literally* the way they expect you to handle busters, but if you're stupid like me and only realize your stance has been off the entire time up until the poor BLM is about to get blasted out of orbit by Valigarmanda, a well-timed Cover can save them (and your dignity) from sudden death.


I also like to use it when I notice we have a struggling sprout or, if we're about to eat a vuln stack and Cover can absorb it, I'll always choose a healer to save them from it. 2 vuln stacks is usually nothing for a tank, but a vuln stack on an already struggling healer can get spicy.


The difference between Cover and Intervention is that sometimes, unless you have the time to pop a Clemency and the Intervention on top, there is no way to save that player unless you eat that damage yourself. Often times, you won't even have the time to cast the Clemency in my experience so I always go straight for the Cover if I have it available.

[ThurinTurambar]

Can you like name instances where cover has actually been useful for it's intended purpose in a fight? I haven't done anything recent so maybe its changed? but i highly doubt cover has a genuine use case that isn't already fulfilled by intervention.

So imagine sh!ts the fan and party is basicly about to wipe, you're ressed with weakness and your provoke is on cooldown. You cant grab aggro because of weakness.
Or damage towards healer is coming and they need to do lb3.

Thats just 2 scenarios from top of my head i can think of, and im not even playing paladin.

There are a lot of skills that are basicly useless when everyone is playing perfectly and you got a clean fight, or the fight itself is not challenging at all. Rphys does not have use for leg/foot/head graze in most content, melees dont need to press bloodbath if healer is present and at least halfway awake. However, just like cover, i dont see any reason to change those.

[PyurBlue]

for cover to actually be useful paladin would need to be required.

Why would that be the case? I find situational skills to be much more interesting then forced skills. Tank LB3 is rarely used outside of the fights that force a usage, yet I find all of those moments forgettable. It's an obligatory button press without meaning. They can't compare to the handful of times I've used tank LB3 unplanned and on reaction successfully.

Cover being situational is a success story in FF14. The real problem it has is from being too strongly undertuned in an attempt to balance it when it was at its peak.

I'm not against classes having unique useful utility but the idea that cover makes paladin unique or stand out is a joke, its a skill you shouldn't even have on your hot bar.

Absolutely not true. Not having cover available is objectively making you less useful as a PLD. Cover can very easily save runs.

[Momma_Dee]

Can you like name instances where cover has actually been useful for it's intended purpose in a fight? I haven't done anything recent so maybe its changed? but i highly doubt cover has a genuine use case that isn't already fulfilled by intervention.

I can, it just happened a couple of minutes ago. I covered our VPR during Zelenia's double tankbuster because our MT suddenly got disconnected. That's one less death for the healers, who were already struggling because we had a few first timers.

Stop picking on Cover you guys, it's trying its best lmao. It's a niche skill yes, but extremely powerful in the right situations.

[Carighan]

for cover to actually be useful paladin would need to be required

That'd be how you take the fun away from fun abilities. Plus you misunderstand how required abilities work I think, as they by definition offer no player agency and hence might as well be automated passive procs at no less of combat gameplay depth.

[DeathNoodles]

God no, leave paladin alone

[jomas_45]

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I also like to use it when I notice we have a struggling sprout

As someone who always struggles the first time she does content, I love Cover, or as I jokingly call it "the Tether of Shame". I have said "I didn't get tethered!" as a moment of pride doing first time content. I'm so very sorry to all the healers and their Pals.

And then, sometimes, I get to pay it forward, which makes me very happy.