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  1. #21
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    Stasya Astolfofangirl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryaze View Post
    The same "professional game developers" that had a flaw in their experience distribution system that was taken advantage of back in patch 4.5 with Blue Mage and then six years later was still present that they had to hotfix out for OC? Those professionals?
    I kinda maybe wish you could completely hide ignored people's posts/threads and if someone quotes them too (not blaming you).

    because

    Quote Originally Posted by Mawlzy View Post
    I sort of assumed it is working as intended?

    These are professional game developers. The implications of the design choice in FT would be obvious to people with that background. It may be a nightmare for most players, but "most players" are no longer the target demographic.
    This is very high levels of cringe by square enix community worker. I mean, come on, people can disagree on some stuff about game which WORK (difficulty of mechanics, visuals (inc glam) etc), but idk on which side are you supposed to be when defending this trash design choice.

    BA style entering raid is bad, especially BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD if the raid's difficulty is "one dude is able to wipe you and you can't even kick them out". That's why there are TWO (not one but TWO) raids in bozja and you can queue savage as 48 man alliance.

    Whoever proceeded with Forked Tower entering approach should just retire and never touch anything gaming related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stasya View Post
    I kinda maybe wish you could completely hide ignored people's posts/threads and if someone quotes them too (not blaming you).

    because



    This is very high levels of cringe by square enix community worker. I mean, come on, people can disagree on some stuff about game which WORK (difficulty of mechanics, visuals (inc glam) etc), but idk on which side are you supposed to be when defending this trash design choice.

    BA style entering raid is bad, especially BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD if the raid's difficulty is "one dude is able to wipe you and you can't even kick them out". That's why there are TWO (not one but TWO) raids in bozja and you can queue savage as 48 man alliance.

    Whoever proceeded with Forked Tower entering approach should just retire and never touch anything gaming related.
    I don't think they aren't defending? From other posts, I assume they are not very impressed with CBU3 and that that particular post was sarcasm. "Professional game developers" indeed. And yea, you WOULD think it would be obvious to them. Yet, here we are. CAR, CE, OC, just from recent releases from these professional game developers...
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  3. #23
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    There's been a progressive reduction in player outreach since Stormblood. DT has been the most noticible, with the bare minimum number of Live Letters (part 1 and part 2 before every patch, for a total of four since launch) and no real communication outside of that. No idea what brought on this change. The limited communication around OC is just part of this larger pattern.
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  4. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astronema View Post
    Having items you have to farm from the tower for the vendor to purchase especially the emote is ridiculous when most of us are never going to get inside. That leaves just random rng to obtain it. Utterly ridiculous.
    Also a TT card and it sounds like one of the records is there? Huge mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrysOCE View Post
    I don't think they aren't defending? From other posts, I assume they are not very impressed with CBU3 and that that particular post was sarcasm. "Professional game developers" indeed. And yea, you WOULD think it would be obvious to them. Yet, here we are. CAR, CE, OC, just from recent releases from these professional game developers...
    Yeah, my bad, I skipped the /s
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    Vive la résistance!

    Finalement, Boucles d'or goûta le porridge dans le bol de Bébé Ours. "Miam Miam, ce porridge est parfait!" dit-elle, et elle mangea le bol entier de porridge.

    Je m'habille comme une reine, je frappe comme une mule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mawlzy View Post
    If they claim the plan was to tune it between normal and extreme and this mysterious goblin once again ramped it up to savage, they better skip the laughing.
    More likely Yoshi P will pretend to be confused as to why the players are unhappy and tell everyone to "please look forward" to some minimal changes that weren't asked for and don't even address the issue.
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    Last edited by SkankyRoe; 06-10-2025 at 06:11 PM.
    I look just like the roes next door... if you happen to live next door to an amusement park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkankyRoe View Post
    Nah, I don't think they'll pull an "oops we made it savage teehee" this time around. More likely Yoshi P will pretend to be confused and tell everyone to "please look forward" to some super minimal "fixes" that don't do jack shit to address the actual issue.
    I suspect you're right, and it simply isn't good enough.
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    Vive la résistance!

    Finalement, Boucles d'or goûta le porridge dans le bol de Bébé Ours. "Miam Miam, ce porridge est parfait!" dit-elle, et elle mangea le bol entier de porridge.

    Je m'habille comme une reine, je frappe comme une mule.

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    They are silent about most things because most things in this game are kinda embarrasing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    Also a TT card and it sounds like one of the records is there? Huge mistake.
    It's five records that's tied to the tower, or 1/6 of the current total records.
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    Last edited by Kisshu; 06-10-2025 at 11:00 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daudream View Post
    once you've managed to get in there is a difficulty spike that requires clear communication, specific phantom jobs, good gear and high skill, all the while being punishing with no way to really practice outside of watching a guide.
    This is probably better saved for one of the 20 other OC/FT doomposting threads, but your comment about it being punishing with no real way to practice makes me want to point out what I personally think is a FT issue on par with its entry system... the way it's handled the resurrection restriction.

    Forked Tower has the same rez restriction debuff as BA and DRS, but with the caveat that you can only be raised three times throughout the entire instance. If you die a fourth time, you have to release and delevel, which means spending time releveling and then waiting for the weather before you can go back in and try again.
    There are also literally only two ways to raise - Chemist, and healer LB3. (There's also currently a bug where if someone uses healer LB3 while you have a pending raise from a chemist... you lose two stacks)
    In comparison, BA has three ways to raise (healer LB3, spirit of the remembered/reraise, and sacrifice), while DRS has four (healer LB3, 2 kinds of reraise, sacrifice, and arise) - and in both cases, the only limit on how many raises you can get just depends on how many plates/actions people brought.

    Literally the only other raise restricted duties in the game are Criterion and Savage Criterion... and I would argue that FT is worse than both of them when it comes to progging. Criterion gives everyone a single raise they can use on anyone (so you could in theory have 3 out of 4 raises used on the same person), but it's replenished every time you clear a boss or trash pack. Meanwhile Savage Criterion doesn't let you raise at all... but if you die and wipe, you just end up at the start of the instance again immediately to try again. You also technically can "practice" the mechs through regular Criterion, since the only changes in Savage beyond the raise restriction are more HP and fewer telegraphs.

    That combined with the time that will need to be spent releveling and waiting, and I genuinely don't think they could have made a less puggable/blind prog friendly raid if they tried. Even just a change as small as "each time you clear a boss/duty objective, your rez restriction stacks get replenished" similar to what Criterion has could go a long way to making it feel more accessible than it is now... assuming you can get inside the damn place, of course.
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    Last edited by Jaltaer; 06-10-2025 at 10:42 PM.

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