Dawntrail Doomposting Megathread

[Carin-Eri]

I can say that these forums were full of criticism even in Stormblood. I used to try debating in the category-specific forums but that was seriously exhausting because they are an even more concentrated echo chamber of people repeating the same few things that SE will never do.

Since you're new, my advice is this. No matter what SE says or does, it won't be received well in this forum, so being here can sour your mood and make you feel negative about the game when you otherwise wouldn't be. I had to find a way to think of it that won't affect my mood. Actually playing the game fixes that for me, because people you meet in the game are, on average, usually not like this, as I explained throughout this thread.

Some truth in this.

I'll admit, I absolutely loved Endwalker. As incredible as I thought Shadowbringers was, there was something about Endwalker that resonated with me just that fraction more than Shadowbringers.

But it's difficult to forget that 946 page thread here dedicated to bemoaning Endwalker and debating the same plot-related issue over and over and over for two years. It would be quite easy to be gaslit into questioning whether or you should've enjoyed the expansion as much as you did whilst reading that depressing thread.

[AvoSturmfaust]

There are exceptions, such as some of the recent changes in PvP, but it still begs a question.

If no matter what SE says or does, it is not well-received here, is that the fault of SE or the players?

You tend to view this as a player issue. I do not.

Clearly the Players Fault, i give you an example VIPER the change they did 4 Weeks after the Release of DT

You had one camp which doesnt like the change and cried about it vs the camp which liked the change (btw if you really into viper you understand that the removal of NG added some deep to the class and possibilitys which wasnt there before) now i ask you, who is wrong? square? no the PLAYERS for camp 1 camp 2 was wrong and square enix for camp 2 camp 1 was wrong, so it doesnt matter what square would change they would be at fault because of players opinion

and you cant cater to every single person in the game so sooner or later someone has to take the L and comes then in the forum to complain

the same with the whole DDR Raid topic, people complaining about DDR and they want randomness but it wouldnt change the DDR in any way because if i go Left OR Right doesnt change the Fact i go left or right, in every game the fights are DDR if now Mech 1 starts first and after it Mech 3, the next Pull is Mech 3 first and then Mech 2 doesnt change the fact that you learn each mechanic anyway and so it ends in DDR but with a random order, which literally doesnt change the combat flow


what i mean with everything is pretty simple, people should stop complaining about every little bit because for every complain and every "oh square is fault" there is someone which actually likes it, so in that case you have to take the L and good is.

[Brignadalee]

"7.2 - MSQ returns to form with better reception than even 7.0 and 7.1."

7.2 was still a 'meh' deal for me personally. The new dungeon and trial made me lose it in a good way. But, that was because of my love for FF9, not because I'm stoked to play FF14. Don't care for Calyx. This real Sphene story is... fine, I guess?

We still got our company mandated Wuk Lamat flashbang despite her reception in 7.0. This coming from someone who didn't mind her too much in the MSQ, she was fine at the start. Now, Yoshi Please, give her the ol' "One-two, Lyse is through" treatment. Fewer dialogue lines doesn't make up for the novella of pain and meme material she was by the end of 7.0.

[Connor]

and you cant cater to every single person in the game so sooner or later someone has to take the L and comes then in the forum to complain

If you ask me, the biggest problem with ffxiv that SE flat out refuses to accept this and desperately tries to cater the game to every single possible demographic - including ‘people who don’t like this game’ lol.

Never mind the players; it’s the devs that are trying to please everyone. Resulting in most content getting dropped before it even reaches ‘half-baked’ as they constantly chase their ‘big streamer plays game and makes of a ton of people sub/resub’ moment. Hell Yoshi probably still thinks FFXIV can be an esport lol.

I don’t disagree that there’s always going to be ‘someone that had to take the L’. But FFXIV takes that one step further and indiscriminately slaps a huge L on every single player that steps through its gates.

[Kozh]

Exactly. There are 5 possible messages you see in shout. Those are.

1: lfg
2: lfg gold farm
3: lfg ce
4: rez pls (coordinates)
5: omw

That's it. That's the extent of social interaction in OC. If you're lucky, the people in your CE farming party say hi and then tyfp when they leave. That's it.

If you play in JP, then it's just 3 and 4 XD

[DynnDiablos]

"7.2 - MSQ returns to form with better reception than even 7.0 and 7.1."

7.2 was still a 'meh' deal for me personally. The new dungeon and trial made me lose it in a good way. But, that was because of my love for FF9, not because I'm stoked to play FF14. Don't care for Calyx. This real Sphene story is... fine, I guess?

We still got our company mandated Wuk Lamat flashbang despite her reception in 7.0. This coming from someone who didn't mind her too much in the MSQ, she was fine at the start. Now, Yoshi Please, give her the ol' "One-two, Lyse is through" treatment. Fewer dialogue lines doesn't make up for the novella of pain and meme material she was by the end of 7.0.

My only hope is we are done with Wuk Lamat after 7.3 as 7.4 and 7.5 pivot to 8.0. Honestly, get me out of the New World altogether, the zones are just big, empty and barren.

[Kozh]

My only hope is we are done with Wuk Lamat after 7.3 as 7.4 and 7.5 pivot to 8.0. Honestly, get me out of the New World altogether, the zones are just big, empty and barren.

Only for 8.0 to be "Dawntrail, but Australia" lol (since next on the list is Meracydia)

[ForteNightshade]

Summary of who was happy:

Player1 = Unhappy
Player2 = Happy
Player3 = Somewhat Unhappy?
Player4 = Wasn't participating
Player5 = Happy
Player6 = Happy
Player7 = Happy
Player8 = Not fond of Eureka nor Endwalker. No other opinion expressed
Player9 = Happy
Player10 = Happy
Player11 = Happy
Player12 = Seems happy "it could be worse"
Player13 = Wasn't participating
Player14 = Happy
Player15 = Unclear
Player16 = Seemed happy, was sarcastic about the criticism
Player17 = Sarcastic
Player18 = Wasn't participating
Player19 = Unclear
Player20 = Happy
Player21 = Happy
Player22 = Wasn't participating
Player23 = Wasn't participating
Player24 = Unclear
Player25 = Wasn't participating
Player26 = Wasn't participating
Player27 = Wasn't participating

This is an extremely flawed conclusion. You've essentially listed anyone who wasn't complaining as "happy" with some variation here or there.

First and foremost, people are far less prone to complain while actively doing content unless there's a particular pain point ala someone else causing wipes. I'm pretty vocal about my dislike of the game's direction since EW yet I all but guaranteed you'd have me listed as "happy" on your little assessment because I don't go out of my way to criticise the game in random shout chat. I do that here or on FFXIV/discussion because, well, they're discussion forums. That's entirely the point. Don't get me wrong, I'll make snark comments or remark on things I don't like, but it's not often if for no other reason than I don't want to bother people who are enjoying the game.

[DynnDiablos]

Only for 8.0 to be "Dawntrail, but Australia" lol (since next on the list is Meracydia)

I believe it's going to be another shard to be honest. It seems they are setting us up for a Shadowbringers 2.0. I know Yoshi P. also made mention of another winter-themed expansion like Heavensward was a desire. Now whether that comes to fruition, who knows?

[Jeeqbit]

Clearly the Players Fault, i give you an example VIPER the change they did 4 Weeks after the Release of DT

You had one camp which doesnt like the change and cried about it vs the camp which liked the change

Exactly. Another example is the newest thread that was just made: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...and-is-not-fun

If SE makes OC "done in a day", people will complain there is nothing to do and no reason to subscribe. If SE makes OC grindy and keep people there for a while, they are accused of trying to retain subs or of making a grind that lasts more than a day. They literally can't win. No matter what they do, players will complain about it.

Personally, I think they should try where possible to have a middleground for both types of players if they can. They have usually achieved making things grindy by having the grinds be optional for things like mounts and that has worked (except for the people who ignore mounts as a reward then complain there's nothing to do). Or with a choice between "easy" and "hard" modes of everything from gameplay to content.

But they still won't satisfy everyone. That is why the director of an MMO must know who to listen to, and who to ignore. Yoshi-P has said he understands that it's his job to figure that out. But really, how many MMO directors actually get this perfectly right? It becomes increasingly hard to do so as the playerbase becomes more noisy and like this:

This is an extremely flawed conclusion. You've essentially listed anyone who wasn't complaining as "happy" with some variation here or there.

I don't go out of my way to criticise the game in random shout chat. I do that here or on FFXIV/discussion

Maybe. My point wasn't necessarily to say that everyone is happy, but rather to say they seem to be having fun in the game itself, not expressing unhappiness with the game in the game itself, or outright defending/pushing back against criticism in the game itself.

And my reason for putting this example was because a lot of people were saying everyone in the game was equally as unhappy about the game as on these forums. Yet, not only do I not see that in the PUGs I join on a very regular basis, but I don't even hardly see it in a large field zone with a large amount of players contributing their thoughts.

So I'm forced to speculate that these players who apparently express dissatisfaction inside the game either unsubscribed, don't engage with content much due to not liking it (which could ironically be contributing to their feelings), or the experiences are within their specific FC (which can often be players in a similar boat, for example, they could be a group of friends or long-time players with similar thoughts and values).