Dawntrail Doomposting Megathread

[ForteNightshade]

Summary of who was happy:

Player1 = Unhappy
Player2 = Happy
Player3 = Somewhat Unhappy?
Player4 = Wasn't participating
Player5 = Happy
Player6 = Happy
Player7 = Happy
Player8 = Not fond of Eureka nor Endwalker. No other opinion expressed
Player9 = Happy
Player10 = Happy
Player11 = Happy
Player12 = Seems happy "it could be worse"
Player13 = Wasn't participating
Player14 = Happy
Player15 = Unclear
Player16 = Seemed happy, was sarcastic about the criticism
Player17 = Sarcastic
Player18 = Wasn't participating
Player19 = Unclear
Player20 = Happy
Player21 = Happy
Player22 = Wasn't participating
Player23 = Wasn't participating
Player24 = Unclear
Player25 = Wasn't participating
Player26 = Wasn't participating
Player27 = Wasn't participating

This is an extremely flawed conclusion. You've essentially listed anyone who wasn't complaining as "happy" with some variation here or there.

First and foremost, people are far less prone to complain while actively doing content unless there's a particular pain point ala someone else causing wipes. I'm pretty vocal about my dislike of the game's direction since EW yet I all but guaranteed you'd have me listed as "happy" on your little assessment because I don't go out of my way to criticise the game in random shout chat. I do that here or on FFXIV/discussion because, well, they're discussion forums. That's entirely the point. Don't get me wrong, I'll make snark comments or remark on things I don't like, but it's not often if for no other reason than I don't want to bother people who are enjoying the game.

[Fawkes]

I wouldn't characterize any of that as happy.

[Jeeqbit]

I wouldn't characterize any of that as happy.

My point is they were defending the game. It's perhaps hard to read it all after the fact but I searched for the names one by one and specifically only 2 expressed any negative sentiment whatsoever. Everyone else was saying things like "grinds are part of MMOs", "it's not as bad as ARR", "stop complaining and doomposting", "there's nothing wrong with this zone", "we're busy doing actual content instead of complaining" (as in a CE) etc. Some were sarcastic towards the negativity. Others were just sarcastic and didn't take a side. If you interpret it different then that's odd really.

[Gwenkatsu]

My point is they were defending the game. It's perhaps hard to read it all after the fact but I searched for the names one by one and specifically only 2 expressed any negative sentiment whatsoever. Everyone else was saying things like "grinds are part of MMOs", "it's not as bad as ARR", "stop complaining and doomposting", "there's nothing wrong with this zone", "we're busy doing actual content instead of complaining" (as in a CE) etc. Some were sarcastic towards the negativity. Others were just sarcastic and didn't take a side. If you interpret it different then that's odd really.

So you go into zone X, talk to people that are actively playing zone X, and find out that most of them are happy with playing in zone X? Now colour me surprised.

Don't get me wrong, it's ok to try to bring some positivity to this dark place we call the forums - but this sample of yours is horribly skewed.

I for one was happy with the EW relics (there, I said it, now roast me). It was a finite grind, just something for me to do on a daily basis. Give me a rng based grind, and I just nope out. Some finish it in a couple of hours, and for others it takes month to get the last missing puzzle piece - and out of experience I know that I'm usually one of the latter. Been there, done that - no more rng grind for me, tyvm. And of course you will not hear my voice in OC - since I'm just not there.

[Jeeqbit]

So you go into zone X, talk to people that are actively playing zone X, and find out that most of them are happy with playing in zone X? Now colour me surprised.

Exactly my point though. The people actually playing the game seem to not see things the way that these forums do and don't really like all doomposting. Which is why I was saying that a lot of the unhappy ones must have actually unsubscribed at some point or maybe AFK at limsa or their house.

This sort of resistance to doomposting is basically what I've encountered in other content as well.

[ovIm]

Exactly my point though. The people actually playing the game seem to not see things the way that these forums do and don't really like all doomposting. Which is why I was saying that a lot of the unhappy ones must have actually unsubscribed at some point or maybe AFK at limsa or their house.

This sort of resistance to doomposting is basically what I've encountered in other content as well.

Your point is, quite frankly, a bad one. It implies that the opinion everyone who has tried the content, found it lacking, and went to give feedback in the channel that is used for feedback is invalid because there are some people content with the little scraps CS3 have given us. Just because the people that remain in the content are the ones enjoying it does not mean that the views of those who gave up on it are invalid. Or that there are people that enjoy things despite it having obvious flaws.

But sure, lets keep silencing the critics and only listen to the sugarcoaters, that will end well for this game

[SkankyRoe]

Stop being a cookie cutter and make something brand new, Yoshida.

They already tried that. Twice. Don't you remember "oops we accidentally made it savage teehee" Criterion and "oops we accidentally made it savage again teehee" Chaotic?

[Gurgeh]

...
So I need to focus on how much fun people who don't play the game are having? Got it...

And there we have it.
Frankly Jeeqbit is as good and as wholesome as they come, in terms of an understanding bridge between casual and high-end.

And even Jeeqbit, when it comes down it, if they are really.... honest, think that its casuals place to like what they are given, or get-good and start 'enjoying' all the nonsense that goes with PF content that they never had to deal with in the (yes, often) years they spent catching up (endless youtube video guides, the frequent 'rows' about how to interpret those guides, the toxic abandons after 2 pull because some selfish petulant tw@t decides these 'progliars' aren't wort their time, or just doesn't want to wait while the problem is discussed and fixed.)
And if you don't want to do the PF content, if you think they should have added new Expert-EX difficulty content with Chaotic, rather than yet more NEW fkn Savage (like criterion savage and criterion savage+ and every static requiring deep dungeon) ...
then you "just aren't playing the game [why are you here? leave?]"

Casuals. You are not wanted. That is not going to get better. And I am not talking about the community. I'm talking about the game designers.
Everything that is coming out of the community that is the fault of the game designers. Not 99%, 100%.

FFXIV DID used to have a fantastic community. That wasn't because morally, genetically, socially superior human specimens suddenly by chance all suddenly decided to try FFXIV and found each other, it was because the game designers created a game that fostered that community.
It was even baked into the philosophy of the MSQ characters and NPCs with the positive example they set. (Lately I haven't much liked my own WoL with some of the dialog options I've been forced to choose from.)

[Jeeqbit]

Jeeqbit, when it comes down it, if they are really.... honest, think that its casuals place to like what they are given, or get-good and start 'enjoying' all the nonsense that goes with PF

You're overthinking it.

Your point is, quite frankly, a bad one. It implies that the opinion everyone who has tried the content, found it lacking, and went to give feedback in the channel that is used for feedback is invalid

It doesn't imply that. Rather, I can't measure people who are not actively playing.

My post was adding to points I made earlier in the thread, where I said that a large percentage of those unhappy actually unsubscribed already or don't engage with the content, and as a result of that, the remaining people seemed quite happy. Since people did not believe me, I pasted one of the many chats I have in the game that demonstrated that people are pretty resistant to doomposting and the type of comments on the forums and even ridicule it.

Just because the people that remain in the content are the ones enjoying it does not mean that the views of those who gave up on it are invalid.

I did not say their views are invalid. I was simply saying that the majority of them do not seem to actually be in the new content, be it OC, Savage or Extremes, otherwise they'd all be as negative as on the forums in my interactions with them.

[xbahax92]

Feels like the veteran devs left a while ago and now the game is handled by inexperienced programmers. Some of the game design choices just feel awkward and hard to understand. They tried to copypasta Bozja, but the gameplay loop in OC is just bad. It's honestly mind boggling how they didn’t consider how FATEs would scale, with crits popping non-stop every 3 minutes.
Don’t even get me started on Forked Tower. And the fact there’s no Dalriada alternative is just disappointing. Dalriada was a great raid inside Bozja with a good difficulty even for the casual crowd. I still don’t get why they’re not reviving older content with new mechanics and map changes. Cosmic Exploration looked good on paper, but the execution is all wrong. They really love using levequests and FATEs, must be really cheap and less time consuming to code inside their spaghetti.

They should learn how to improve quest and gameplay design. I pray it's not to late for this.