Dawntrail Doomposting Megathread

[Mawlzy]

I do wish you wouldn't leave

I appreciate that. Unfortunately disinterest with Dawntrail left me susceptible to seduction by my spaceships.

Warp drive... active.

[Carin-Eri]

I appreciate that. Unfortunately disinterest with Dawntrail left me susceptible to seduction by my spaceships.

Warp drive... active.

STO perchance?

[ZohShia]

To show that most players I interact with in the game aren't negative, we got a giant conversation going in Occult (names redacted). 14 out of 16 seemed happy with how things are (11 didn't participate):

Player1: ATMA is a LIE
Player2: I just got one
Player2: from an actual fate
Player3: After 10 years of running the game they should have known better than to add rng grinds, again. A slow grind where you make consistent progress ie Eureka would have been ideal
Player4: LF raise please South Horn ( 31.3  , 28.6 )
Player5: eureka sucks
Player6: womp womp
Player7: I dunno I'm fine with it. You have to do so much for maxing the phantom jobs.
Player5: rng is literally part of every mmo
Player8: yeah all my homies hate eureka
A critical encounter has been spotted!
Player5: u have 4 months to get to places
Player5: get over it
Player9: not all of eureka sucks. just pyros i believe. the one with cassie
Player5: thats my current take
Player2: I'm fine with the Atma grind, and the droprate seems great from CEs tbh
Player10: if it makes you feel better the rng is literally once and then its a tome grind
Player5: yea
Player5: you suffer once then its free ride
Player3: Pagos sucks but the rest of Eureka, on release, was decent
Player11: you either roll a 0 or a 99. the mmo way
Player12: Drop rate is higher than 1% so it could be worse
Player3: See but why suffer like this to begin with
Player5: if you want crap do the 1 000 bunny achievement
Player9: cuz EW was too easy
Player2: a lot of people didn't like endwalker's version
Player14: do you want to just go to an NPC and get your relic weapon instantly?
Player5: you will pray and get no response doing that achievement
Player11: bc if there wasn't rng you'd be complaiing there was nothing to do in the game from zooming through content
Player10: I'm not suffering? I am playing the content and getting it as i do it
Player3: Indeed, which begs the question, why make it rng instead of a decent slow but consistent grind?
Player8: yeah the ew relic was the worst way to do it
Player14: i suggest posting your feedback on the official forums
Player10: Idk dude. Seems like you're on your own here
Player5: they wont read it
Player3: yes because that's gone swimmingly
Player5: lol
Player7: Oh s*** at some point I got the Oracle Soul Shard lol
Player8: that was spencer's favorite because she's nuts
Player5: do these devs even read anything from westerners
Player10: well you'd think after 10 years you'd learn that using shout chat to vent your frustrations won't work, but here we are
Player15: lmao
Player3: They've stopped listening to the JP forums as well, they're quite upset over OC and especially forked tower
Player16: they should make us buy tokens with irl money and roll for a chance to get the wepon
Player17: go to reddit, everyone is nice there
Player9: PAGOS thank you, but yeah rest of eureka was fun
Player16: gatcha ftw
Player19: I just threw up in my mouth a little
Player20: i feel like if you don't enjoy grinding you need to pick a different genre of game
Player3: Not lately, not on thediscussion sub
Player21: no relic step touches arr dungeon atma, not evan close, took me 165 Avs
Player3: who said I don't like grinding? I literally said which grind I prefer ie eureka
Player10: oh god x.x don't remind me
Player12: Lol yeah I feel like the bar is in hell with ARR grind
Player2: I didn't like the RNG in pagos, but the rest of pagos was my favorite one. See, the RNG could be like pagos but it's not
Player3: exactly.
Player9: i loathed the books for atmas for the fate waits
Player5: i just cant believe they made the forked entry system so bad
Player3: In any case they should have known better, and forked tower's method of entry is inexcusable
Player5: they thought lets do BA again but with half the ppl in 1 instance
Player5: xffing
Player3: apparently people have started requesting those of us who do CEs to vacate so their entire groups can get a whole instance
Player3: Genuinely, that could not have been the devs intentions
Player21: lol remimber 400 alex raids?
Player10: sorry guys we're doing the actual content, you're kinda talking to yourselves there
Player14: i feel like you are the STOP HAVING FUN meme guy here
Player9: we call it multitasking
Player3: People are allowed to discuss things, you are not obligated to engage in discussions you don't want to
Player10: I'm a MCH, I have a billion buttons to press
Player5: the correct term is krillion
Player11: it went over their head
Player6: you can say stupid things if you want
Player3: in any case I'm not alone in my opinions, so I'm content with that
Player19: I am a DNC, you merely adopted the RNG, I was born in it
Player9: i mean we could be like limsa in this, just afk for 3 hours beesknees and RP*
Player3: You'd also think that the raid would have better rewards, like the airship or fancy ffv gear but nope
Player11: the raid gives the same rewards every field op has. no one is surprised
Player6: you know im starting to think you dont like the game
Player3: the kind of effort it takes to clear demands something akin to the rewards chaotic had, tbh
Player5: this zone doesnt have that many problems
Player5: it only has the forked entry issue
Player3: People can criticize the things the like, productively, especially when they give examples as to how they could be better
Player9: chaotic had elitesets tho
Player3: Chaotic isn't a hard fight, but the entry method was another time waster
Player16: prob the first zone  not to bad
Player9: day 2 of chaotic had pfs saying "dont join unless you cleared 10 times"
Player11: you're right and you should say it louder for the people in the back
Player16: castrum when though
Player14: does anyone else hate it when people come into an area and just complain nonstop? i feel like they could be doing much better things with their time. i'm just giving constructive feedback here btw
Player5: its gonna be goated in a few patch with a krillion extra phantom yobs
Player5: cant wait to have mastery 25 with 50 % dmg
Player11: forked should've been a queue and this zone should've had a duty to tie up the story. in this ted talk i will--
Player3: People when others are social in an mmorpg :O
Player5: add the degenerate preprep and we are gonna be hitting 53821 krillion dmg
Player5: gonna be goated
Player10: there's social and there's being a whine. Guess which you are
Player3: We already have large instance queue systems they could have used
Player21: woo anotherAetherspun Gold in a bronze, 1 more and im done
Player2: I don't mind, if it's genuinely social
Player5: maybe they change it in the future who knows
Player10: grats!
Player2: has been fine, really
Player3: I'd have actually tried the raid if it weren't such a mess to get into even but I'm not jumping through that many hoops, at that point I'd be rewarding the dev's bad behavior
Player14: i'm starting to worry that you are actually getting off on this
Player9: heres my take on this area. its current content, we have several months to play with this, max every job and get your atmas, and gear for this place. it would be different if we had more beast/society quests, this, and more fishing, and another restoration
Player9: on top of this
Player5: oh frick i forgot about big feeshing
Player2: basically that, we have ages
Player5: i came back recently and i didnt get my 7.2 ones
Player2: can just do 1 hour chill a week with how long we have if you want :p
Player5: instruction unclear did 14-16-12hr on first weekend
Player4: finally made it spawn
Player23: okay yeah anyway, whats your favorite enemy in the game based on how you think it would taste?
Player3: The thing is though, in between now and 7.55 there should be more to do than just...this one zone. The deep dungeon crowd isnt even looking forward to the new one after EO and no one cares about criterion/limited jobs to any great extent anymore
Player10: gl on Ranger. Took me forever
Player11: dude there is gonna be more content released don't doom post
Player24: criterion is the best content in the game
Player5: didnt zadsnore come out in 7.55
Player9: i literally do this plas for like 2-3 hours then go somewhere else
Player12: I can't believe this is the last content patch forever until the next expansion
Player3: "doom posting" lol
Player12: its been real
Player5: and had DALRIADA with the best boss music ever with the diablo armament
Player14: i can't believe they are shutting down the servers after this instance is over
Player5: on god fr fr
Player19: time for Louisoix to do his thing again
Player11: you're complaining, crying, and now acting like this occult zone is the ONLY THING happening for the game till 7.55
Player12: Bahamut... 2!
Player14: i can't believe i have to do difficult dungeon mechanics to get a reward
Player3: dalriada was fun, loved the bozjan ivalice themed gear rewards
Player10: they're gonna drop another meteor and reset the servers. Phantom jobs are just a test for the new mmo
Player14: i can't believe i have to do content in order to get a relic weapon
Player3: if only
Player11: "oh nooo what will i do till 7.55" other content in the game
Player5: achievement hunting and you never run out
Player5: in fact you have too much
Player3: Mhmm same arguments we heard in EW
Player6: achiements should be easier
Player9: YOSHI P I DUN LIKE EW RELIC MAKE IT HARDER PLEASE *DT patch drops* no not like that
Player12: [crystal DC voice] time to start your RP disco house, the only end game content
Player14: [he] just teleported away from the CE with 3 seconds to spare lmao
Player5: he done famalam
Player27: 2 spots for gold farm
Player10: And nothing of value was lost
Player14: he was on the verge of actually doing content
Player6: poor thing
Player11: i wonder if he went back to eureka

Wow.... uh. Chief, I'm gonna hafta be honest witcha~

That does NOT read as happy lol. That reads as one person expressing dissatisfaction and quite a few others being far too rude to him unnecessarily.

Not to mention after the guy left the chat, they mocked him for his opinion expressed. That's not exactly a view into the minds of "happy" FFXIV players I would call flattering.

"And nothing of value was lost"

"Guess he went back to his beloved Eureka"

You're quite certain you wouldn't consider the tone of such statements negative?

[Jeeqbit]

That does NOT read as happy lol. That reads as one person expressing dissatisfaction and quite a few others being far too rude to him unnecessarily.

I did not mean happy in that sense. I obviously meant happy with the game because they were defending it and ridiculing the negative individuals.

[Nebelheim]

I did not mean happy in that sense. I obviously meant happy with the game because they were defending it and ridiculing the negative individuals.

People shouldn't be ridiculed when giving feedback regardless of if it's positive or negative. Feedback of any type is how a product improves people shouldn't have to shut up and blindly take whatever content is giving because people don't like seeing any type of feedback that is perceived as "too negative" or "too positive". And people shouldn't be ostracized or ganged up on to the point of making someone leave an instance because they don't like someone leaving negative feedback.

[Jeeqbit]

People shouldn't be ridiculed when giving feedback regardless of if it's positive or negative. Feedback of any type is how a product improves people shouldn't have to shut up and blindly take whatever content is giving because people don't like seeing any type of feedback that is perceived as "too negative" or "too positive". And people shouldn't be ostracized or ganged up on to the point of making someone leave an instance because they don't like someone leaving negative feedback.

Right, but that's what people tend to do anyway. And my point is that the pendulum swings towards people being against negativity in the game itself, and that maybe that is a reflection of unhappy people having unsubscribed.

[Mawlzy]

People shouldn't be ridiculed when giving feedback regardless of if it's positive or negative. Feedback of any type is how a product improves people shouldn't have to shut up and blindly take whatever content is giving because people don't like seeing any type of feedback that is perceived as "too negative" or "too positive". And people shouldn't be ostracized or ganged up on to the point of making someone leave an instance because they don't like someone leaving negative feedback.

I agree with you in principle, but equally entering content, joining a party, and then criticizing said content in chat seems a little off to me.

Like a major reason so much of the content is crap is that people dutifully queue into it as if it's some sort of moral obligation. If you don't like content, leave reasons why here, and don't engage with it.

SE is obsessed with participation numbers. Non-participation is one of our few pressure points to create change.

[ZohShia]

I did not mean happy in that sense. I obviously meant happy with the game because they were defending it and ridiculing the negative individuals.

I..... suppose I see what you're driving at? Still, what it is you showcased doesn't really feel as if it's a thing that should be given publicity, unless it's to show players how NOT to treat those they disagree with. Again, all I saw in your statement is a bunch of bullies who practically forced a relatively mild critique out of an instance. It's nice that some people are happy with the state of the game, but there's no need to be rude and frankly kinda awful about it when expressing this to others.

Right, but that's what people tend to do anyway. And my point is that the pendulum swings towards people being against negativity in the game itself, and that maybe that is a reflection of unhappy people having unsubscribed.

I mean.... that's a bad thing, innit? Doesn't exactly reflect positively on this game's community. I only continue bringing this up because afaik if I recall correctly quite a few posters in this thread brought up the communities' general reaction towards criticism of Final Fantasy XIV being found lacking from their perspective. In my own experience, if critiques are being routinely labeled "doomposting" then something has already gone horribly wrong to begin with.

[Jeeqbit]

I..... suppose I see what you're driving at? Still, what it is you showcased doesn't really feel as if it's a thing that should be given publicity, unless it's to show players how NOT to treat those they disagree with. Again, all I saw in your statement is a bunch of bullies who practically forced a relatively mild critique out of an instance. It's nice that some people are happy with the state of the game, but there's no need to be rude and frankly kinda awful about it when expressing this to others.

Right. My reason for showcasing it was to show that when I interact in the game, I am seeing people happy with the state of the game, defending the game and against the doomposting that everyone else says they see amongst their friends/FC. Because people didn't believe me that I see this in the game itself.

I'm not necessarily saying the game is in good state or isn't. For example, it could just be that the people unhappy with the game mostly unsubscribed or AFK at limsa/house. But they don't seem to be in Occult or High-End PFs otherwise they'd probably jump at the chance to doompost the way they do here. I don't even think I've met unhappy people in my dungeon runs, which do actually have interaction sometimes - I had Praetorium today where there's lots of time to chat. Well, except that they hate the first Stayborough boss - that's a commonly expressed sentiment.

I actually didn't even include a few people in my party's chat who did not like the debate going on (and it was the doomposting they particularly didn't like ). They kept out of it.

In my own experience, if critiques are being routinely labeled "doomposting" then something has already gone horribly wrong to begin with.

I agree that not all critiques are doomposting. Nevertheless, it's a simple (and seemingly viral) buzzword to encompass any sort of critique at the moment.

What is true though is that often if someone is unhappy about one thing they have a tendency to be unhappy about a large amount of things if not everything; in contrast, people who are happy seem to be content with almost everything and thus rebuke any sort of criticism. That's why I have to think some of this is a "glass half full, half empty" situation in many cases where two people, in a general sense, just see optimism or pessimism in things they look at, in a general sense.

[Jeeqbit]

Summary of who was happy:

Player1 = Unhappy
Player2 = Happy
Player3 = Somewhat Unhappy?
Player4 = Wasn't participating
Player5 = Happy
Player6 = Happy
Player7 = Happy
Player8 = Not fond of Eureka nor Endwalker. No other opinion expressed
Player9 = Happy
Player10 = Happy
Player11 = Happy
Player12 = Seems happy "it could be worse"
Player13 = Wasn't participating
Player14 = Happy
Player15 = Unclear
Player16 = Seemed happy, was sarcastic about the criticism
Player17 = Sarcastic
Player18 = Wasn't participating
Player19 = Unclear
Player20 = Happy
Player21 = Happy
Player22 = Wasn't participating
Player23 = Wasn't participating
Player24 = Unclear
Player25 = Wasn't participating
Player26 = Wasn't participating
Player27 = Wasn't participating