OC Critical Engagements are unplayable...

[Raikai]

No, I am not experiencing this at all. It's either your computer, or your connection. I know this because I have fought hunts with this many players since Stormblood and I know all the different hardware issues that have ever caused it.

Things that could help:
- Make sure you have an SSD. This allows you to load/unload players constantly (and their associated glamours). This does happen during battle due to the render limit, so an SSD is important to prevent disk read bottlenecks.
- Make sure you have enough RAM. This helps store all the information in active memory without relying on a page file, which is where it stores active memory on the hard drive. The hard drive, even an SSD, is slower than RAM, otherwise we wouldn't need RAM.
- Make sure you don't have too many programs running in the background that hog resources, such as browsers, other games or downloads. This can hog resources and push active game memory into a page file.
- Look into upgrading your connection. If you use copper wire broadband, you could look into getting a fiber cable if it's available in your area. The difference is that one is limited by the speed of sound and the other by the speed of light.
- Although less likely to be factors, they can be: does the processor and GPU meet or exceed the Recommended Specs of the game, which were increased for Dawntrail?

Intel® Core™i7-9700 or higher, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060 / AMD Radeon RX 5600 XT or higher

Yeah, defnitely my end, then.

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7300HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz 2.50 GHz
Installed RAM 8.00 GB (7.89 GB usable)
Storage 233 GB SSD CT250MX500SSD1
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 (4 GB), Intel(R) HD Graphics 630 (128 MB)

I wonder if I get a better processor and ram, I can reuse the graphics card and SSD? I'd be able to put in my budget if I do so. (plus not the hassle to re-install everything if I use the SSD)

I thought I could hold my system as it was at least for Dawntrail, because I did run stuff just fine, even the 1st Arcadion savage tier back when I played. But then none of the stuff I did before had 72 players crammed in a small space.

[Absurdity]

I know throughout gaming an SSD is always recommended, but 14 is one game that really prefers to be on my HDD.

Not quite related to the lag issues but O5S made me realize back then that I needed to run the game on an SSD.
The warrior ghost cheese back then quite literally required an SSD to load into the train fast enough.
Running it on an HDD was basically a coin flip whether or not the party outside died, lol.

[Valence]

Yeah, defnitely my end, then.

Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-7300HQ CPU @ 2.50GHz 2.50 GHz
Installed RAM 8.00 GB (7.89 GB usable)
Storage 233 GB SSD CT250MX500SSD1
Graphics Card NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 (4 GB), Intel(R) HD Graphics 630 (128 MB)

I wonder if I get a better processor and ram, I can reuse the graphics card and SSD? I'd be able to put in my budget if I do so. (plus not the hassle to re-install everything if I use the SSD)

I thought I could hold my system as it was at least for Dawntrail, because I did run stuff just fine, even the 1st Arcadion savage tier back when I played. But then none of the stuff I did before had 72 players crammed in a small space.

For gameplay mechanical delays I don't know, maybe some, but the main thing that everybody experiences is significant performance drops with 70 players in the same spot, the same way they do in Limsa or in Hunt Trains.

[Jeeqbit]

I wonder if I get a better processor and ram, I can reuse the graphics card and SSD? I'd be able to put in my budget if I do so. (plus not the hassle to re-install everything if I use the SSD)

You could. Technically your card is alright if you set everything to "Minimum", but I'd personally recommend a 2060 at minimum regardless. The reason is because 2060 has fast become an industry standard target spec, due to being the first RTX card.

3060, 4060 or 5060 is a similar option that's gonna be an upgrade from that and create breathing room for the card to be quieter, but due to those existing you can probably get 2060 a lot cheaper now. Personally, I have a 3060.

I thought I could hold my system as it was at least for Dawntrail, because I did run stuff just fine, even the 1st Arcadion savage tier back when I played. But then none of the stuff I did before had 72 players crammed in a small space.

You are honestly probably fine for 8-person raids. Why? Because it's a small room with only 8 people.

These specs are designed for a worst case scenario - an environment like hunts, PvP or field operations with over 70 players loading/unloading and spamming attacks. They actually, literally, spawn in lots of fake players to test how well machines can handle them and really test that worst case scenario and reduce the effects in the content if it's too much for the target specs to handle with that amount of players.

[Raikai]

You could. Technically your card is alright if you set everything to "Minimum", but I'd personally recommend a 2060 at minimum regardless. The reason is because 2060 has fast become an industry standard target spec, due to being the first RTX card.

3060, 4060 or 5060 is a similar option that's gonna be an upgrade from that and create breathing room for the card to be quieter, but due to those existing you can probably get 2060 a lot cheaper now. Personally, I have a 3060.
You are honestly probably fine for 8-person raids. Why? Because it's a small room with only 8 people.

These specs are designed for a worst case scenario - an environment like hunts, PvP or field operations with over 70 players loading/unloading and spamming attacks. They actually, literally, spawn in lots of fake players to test how well machines can handle them and really test that worst case scenario and reduce the effects in the content if it's too much for the target specs to handle with that amount of players.

Right now the only 2 games I play are WoW and XIV (well, at least for this game time I've been gifted) - I'm the type of person who only plays MMORPGS - so I think I can just hold on the graphics card I have and upgrade it later on when I won't be able to wait anymore.

Thanks regardless!

[Krojack]

Never had any lag in them.

The FATEs on the other hand ARE a crap system seeing as they either die within a few seconds or take 10 minutes to kill. I'm sure it's not a problem on the JP servers so nothing about them will be fixed.

[itachi-otsutsuki]

Even if you meet the required specs , it still lags (not reaching atleast 60 stable fps). It also lags on ps5 with all settings off (ps5 meets the recommended specs) , let alone ps4. You need to be well above the recommended specs for it to not lag. So the reply to your comment was kind of disingenuous.
Not everyone has a 2k dollar gaming system for playing a 12 year old game.

They need to reduce the CE player limit, period. Or massively up their 'recommended specs' on the page and stop pretending it's a console game.

That being said, obviously upgrading your system will help.

[Kozh]

Never had any lag in them.

The FATEs on the other hand ARE a crap system seeing as they either die within a few seconds or take 10 minutes to kill. I'm sure it's not a problem on the JP servers so nothing about them will be fixed.

Lol nah, it's the same problem here. FATEs are scaled horribly. Even with upgraded mount speed, unless you spawn camp, when you reach the FATE it's already close to down. Though idk if the JP community complain about it as well or not (hopefully they do)

[PercibelTheren]

Lol nah, it's the same problem here. FATEs are scaled horribly. Even with upgraded mount speed, unless you spawn camp, when you reach the FATE it's already close to down. Though idk if the JP community complain about it as well or not (hopefully they do)

Yeah, the scaling on FATES is a garbage fire. I genuinely don't know why they scale to how many people engaged them previously instead of taking the number of players in their close general area instead. Yes, it would be abusable, but so is this system. I have upgraded mount speed and even when I teleport and run straight to the FATE, I barely manage to hit it with a few abilities and it's down. Pot fates especially go down so quickly I miss half of them despite being on the lookout.

[Raikai]

Lol nah, it's the same problem here. FATEs are scaled horribly. Even with upgraded mount speed, unless you spawn camp, when you reach the FATE it's already close to down. Though idk if the JP community complain about it as well or not (hopefully they do)

IDK why they don't just scale FATEs with the amount of people roaming the zone outside of camp? I've heard they did scale with the last group who did it, but this is bad in so many levels...