Freaking gacha games respect my time more than Demiatmas, and that's sad

[Rolder50]

They are seemingly unable to find the middle ground between "Free Relic Weapon" and "Screw you grind for hours and hours praying for RNG to be kind"

[Kaurhz]

They are seemingly unable to find the middle ground between "Free Relic Weapon" and "Screw you grind for hours and hours praying for RNG to be kind"

Tbh...

Ideally they should just strip the RNG element from it, and make it a slow, steady progress-based grind...

It's even worse when you factor all subsequent relics are tomestone handouts (glorified tome weapons), which just completely dilutes the sense of achievement from the first relic.. Like, I ain't gonna remember or care much about that initial achievement when the game has just decided to hand me a free relic weapon every 2 days of roulettes.

[Nero-Voidstails]

the only thing I was sad about was no merchant to trade atma we have more then needed. other then thaty RNG was just crap so took me a week with work so around 40 hours? sure a small 5% would be nice but meh at least it's a one step only

[Granyala]

Tbh...

Ideally they should just strip the RNG element from it, and make it a slow, steady progress-based grind...

As you can see from this very thread: there are a lot of gambling addicts that take issue with deterministic progression.

[Nero-Voidstails]

As you can see from this very thread: there are a lot of gambling addicts that take issue with deterministic progression.

you are aware that most relic are RNG the one that aren't is eureka and ew but shb gave you a other way to have a guarantee way to have it but it was hw fates and have 20 of all three for one step. you also have a other step that's 15 time the CT raids or 5 time castrum in Bozja

[Granyala]

you are aware that most relic are RNG

I did every relic out there, since I play since the ARR days. So yes: I am aware that some steps were RNG bound.
Doesn't mean I agree with implementing unmitigated RNG in a game that is supposed to be fun.

Some RNG is fine but there needs to be a cap on possible bad luck. It is as simple as that.

[xbahax92]

Why are you playing FFXIV then? You're ready to leave for your great gacha heaven.

[Nero-Voidstails]

I did every relic out there, since I play since the ARR days. So yes: I am aware that some steps were RNG bound.
Doesn't mean I agree with implementing unmitigated RNG in a game that is supposed to be fun.

Some RNG is fine but there needs to be a cap on possible bad luck. It is as simple as that.

then it isn't as bad as the normal atma from arr took me a whole month to get all the one I needed. yes a pity system could be used but at least it's a one step only thing

[dspguy]

1. People asked for relics to be grindy, including myself, because Endwalker's ones were not. This is good!

2. They are not even all that grindy. The droprate from CEs is 20%. On average, 5 CEs will get you an atma, and CEs spawn constantly.

3. You do not have to do it. Relic weapons are the exclusive priviledge of those willing to earn them. Endwalker was an exception to that, and people were not happy with it.

4. It's barely even been 2 weeks. This content is meant to be able to last months. Take your time - if you want (or don't, if you don't want, this is time-sink content).

5. Relics aren't even as powerful as somewhat readily available tomestone weapons.
6. Relics become obsolete the moment 7.4 comes out.
7. Final upgrade relics become obsolete again in a few months after that when 8.0 drops

They'll just gather dust after you earn one and then replace it by running a fairly simple M-4 for a few weeks. I wouldn't stress the demi-atma drop rate. Yeah, some people earn them quick. Some earn them slow. Some might have the worst RNG ever and never get them. There really isn't a "relic questline." It is almost always the same. Players that don't get atma drops aren't missing out on anything. Gerolt has drinking problem. He sends you on a fetch quest for some annoying item. Rowena gets involved and you can trade tomestones for upgrade items. Rinse and repeat for every phase. If OC is what a player cares about, finish that story, get to 20 and wait for OC: Next Phase.

[Nero-Voidstails]

5. Relics aren't even as powerful as somewhat readily available tomestone weapons.
6. Relics become obsolete the moment 7.4 comes out.
7. Final upgrade relics become obsolete again in a few months after that when 8.0 drops

They'll just gather dust after you earn one and then replace it by running a fairly simple M-4 for a few weeks. I wouldn't stress the demi-atma drop rate. Yeah, some people earn them quick. Some earn them slow. Some might have the worst RNG ever and never get them. There really isn't a "relic questline." It is almost always the same. Players that don't get atma drops aren't missing out on anything. Gerolt has drinking problem. He sends you on a fetch quest for some annoying item. Rowena gets involved and you can trade tomestones for upgrade items. Rinse and repeat for every phase. If OC is what a player cares about, finish that story, get to 20 and wait for OC: Next Phase.

we should already have a other step to make it 760 so it stay good and not wait for a 7.3