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    MTG doesn't matter that much. It's not related to this game really. MTG just used this game as inspiration recently. I wouldn't expect it to necessarily include everything. It's just a bunch of cards isn't it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Navytroy View Post
    no one understands who the antagonist of the game is
    That's because it literally changes every expansion, and sometimes within the expansion. From SE's perspective, and probably a lot of MMO's perspective, or even games with DLC generally, each pack is sort of like a "new game" and a fresh arc of sorts. Yes, they advertised Endwalker as the end of a story arc but really each individual story was an arc within that, with its own main antagonist: Gaius, Thordan, Zenos, Hades, Meition/Endsinger, Spheen

    Of course we had plenty of secondary antagonists in the background, but they weren't exactly the last boss: Lahabrea, Livia, Elidibus, Nidhogg, Fordola, Tsukuyomi, Vauthry, Hermes, Zoraal Ja

    If we include patches, we could maybe also say: Iceheart, Ilberd, Golbez

    And many others in sidequests such as raids, and those are antagonists of their respective sidequests, such as the Bahamut, the Goblins, Omega, Mitron, Athena and all our Arcadion "feuds".
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    Even if your story has chapters it stills the same story.
    Star Wars episode I to IX has different chapters and in each one of them it has an antagonist on it (Darth Maul, Dooku, Vader, Snoke) but the main antagonist that ties all together is Palpatine.
    Its the same in XIV, each expansion has its antagonist but the main one is Elidibus, its the one that ties all together from start to finish and it doesnt get any recognition, I said the MTG because its the last thing, but in general its like Emet-Selch, Zenos or Hermes are getting the spot as "antagonist of XIV" and getting that treatment when its not true. Elidibus (nor Lahabrea) got any love from merch or art, and I really think that fuels the idea that these two are side characters, they are main characters. Its like the game has a huge identity crisis.
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    MTG died some 25 years ago when WotC was acquired by Hasbro and it went from a deep enthusiast game to the usual corporate cash cow. You think they give a shit about perfectly representing whatever crossover franchise they use next to sell more boosters?
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    Its not about the MTG, thats only the last thing.
    Im saying the art of the game, the merch, the general representation.
    I know I wrote too much but thats what im saying.
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    I don't read all that, but I just want to say that I agree with you that elidibus and lahabrea don't get enough love. I'm 100% sure someone will disagree with me in this matter, but ever since ishikawa, there's a pattern of character favoritism.
    First we get graha who went from side npc to the scion (cough wol's bestie) and probably one of the most important npc. Then we also have emet selch who become more relevant to the story than freaking elidibus-zodiark.
    Endwalker is especially a letdown for me as elidibus/zodiark is once again set aside for ishikawa's new toy, aka Hermes (worst Fandaniel btw).

    (While venat may not be her character, she's also favoured quite heavily. It's another can of worm that I don't want to open (again))
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    While maybe not considered a "dedicated" card, Elidibus IS on an MTG card. Despark.

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    Its not about the MTG its about any merch in general. (and being a spell when ur a character with this amout of importance is incredible imo, same for Lahabrea, I mean an unnamed ascian got a dedicated card before these two xD)
    For example, Hytlodaeus is a side character and has a figure + appears in the two arts of the ending of what is supposed to be the Hydaelyn and Zodiark saga, it has more representation in XIV than Elidibus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navytroy View Post
    Even if your story has chapters it stills the same story.
    Star Wars episode I to IX has different chapters and in each one of them it has an antagonist on it (Darth Maul, Dooku, Vader, Snoke) but the main antagonist that ties all together is Palpatine.
    Its the same in XIV, each expansion has its antagonist but the main one is Elidibus
    You could make the argument that Hydaelyn ties it all together. Or that Emet-Selch ties it all together and wraps it up at the end, considering he had a hand in everything from ancient times, through to the creation of the Allagans and Garlemald and the rejoinings and ultimately the ending with a thumb click. Or meteion or hermes who, although absent a lot, technically started things then finished them.
    Its like the game has a huge identity crisis.
    Not really. Not everything has to work like Star Wars. And it's just a pack of cards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusionx View Post
    While maybe not considered a "dedicated" card, Elidibus IS on an MTG card. Despark.

    It's been years and I still not liking that quote at all lol. Another case of EN localization trying too hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    You could make the argument that Hydaelyn ties it all together. Or that Emet-Selch ties it all together and wraps it up at the end, considering he had a hand in everything from ancient times, through to the creation of the Allagans and Garlemald and the rejoinings and ultimately the ending with a thumb click. Or meteion or hermes who, although absent a lot, technically started things then finished them.
    Not really. Not everything has to work like Star Wars. And it's just a pack of cards.
    Im not talking about the MTG but the general recognition.
    I used Star Wars because its a story everyone knows that has the classical elements of a narrative (Protagonist - Antagonist).
    Its not about who started what (even tho it also is Elidibus who started everything in Elpis when he sent the WoL to the past, and finished it on Pandemonium), its about who is the one that's been spinning the thread since the begging, whose intervention made Thordan VII, Ilberd, Asahi, Yotsuyu, Varis, Zenos, and even Emet-Selch (Ere our courtain falls story) appear in the story. Thats why I made that resume of Elidibus interventions, seems like people tends to forget how many things he did in the game lore.
    Also, its stated in Shb that ultimately the one behind Emet-Selch's grand civilizations its Elidibus, and he was also the one supervising every single one of the rejoinings so he really was in everything.
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