Please make Forked Tower more Accessible and easier like Bozja

[Daralii]

What im interested in: Are the Japanese complaining too? BC if not, they will never change it, bc Japan Opinion = Only Opinion, everyone else "Fuck off"

This is at least the third time so far in Dawntrail where every region is more or less echoing the same sentiment, and once again it's "Who is this supposed to be for?"

[Araxes]

Requiring an Item for it was the first mistake. You need these Silver Coins for EVERYTHING from getting a simple riding map to upgrading your Gear. And seeing how few Coins you get per Fate why would anyone waste them on these Scrolls for a duty you will most likely fail. It feels like the Devs are completely out of the loop here.

[DynnDiablos]

This is at least the third time so far in Dawntrail where every region is more or less echoing the same sentiment, and once again it's "Who is this supposed to be for?"

From what I am seeing, Yoshi P and the dev team are starting to solely develop content for streamers/content creators who have a vast network of folks to coordinate with. The actual, normal playerbase? We don't seem to matter as much anymore.

[MicahZerrshia]

What im interested in: Are the Japanese complaining too?

From what others who can read JP have said, yes. And the whole thing just feels malicious.

Like they see us asking them to come up with something fun and creative instead of another fate farm or tedious grind. So they went to the extreme of just giving us a tome farm. Then when we complained they went right back to a tedious fate farm, but also put a hardcore raid with silly rules like only 3 rezzes allowed. It really just feels like a giant middle finger to the entire playerbase. Doubly so since they brought back atma, just to twist that knife a lil deeper. I have had the idea for years that Yoshida was just creatively bankrupt and was keeping the more creative and skilled devs on a leash, since we know SE has some really passionate and creative ppl in their employ, but at this point it kinda feels like he is trying to intentionally crash the game, cause the only ppl who seem to be happy are the the ppl sitting in LL or clubs all day and ppl who honestly will just take whatever they give them with a smile because they drank the kool-aid. And it makes sense when you consider he is open about his dislike of the game.

It's like, if your that unhappy just move on, bro. Seriously, let someone else, someone who actually wants to see this game do well and it's players have fun take the lead.

[Router]

I still think we need to see how it goes though because BA itself became a lot more trivial over time once a significant amount of people had fully augmented elemental gear, bonus accessories, logos actions, raid leaders that fully coordinated and called out the mechanics, and other advantages.

Having done a few Forked Tower runs through the 2nd boss, I don't think it'll end up being remotely trivial even after all the power creep. There's a lot of randomized mechanics where one person can murder dozens of other people or otherwise ruin the run. The closest content I can think of in terms of difficulty is actually Chaotic, and we've all seen how that went. I personally enjoy it but I have no idea if this will end up being very accessible for less hardcore players.

[MicahZerrshia]

SE makes content that is supposed to appeal to a large amount of the playerbase. Content that is supposed to be casually consumed and be a nice little distraction that earns us rewards and a nice weapon. A large amount of the playerbase are confused, let down and annoyed at the content provided because of its absolutely horribly design and implimentation in an expansion that has been horribly written, designed and implimented. Ppl's frustration at this game is at an all time high boiling point.

But we always have that guy...

i may be blunt here and I apologize if this comes off as rude but... have you all ever considered that maybe some content just isn't meant for you?
like, I personally am enjoying forked tower a lot

[Voidmage]

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I don’t mind the difficulty of it and think it’s fine but I completely criticize the way to even get inside.
Clearing, sure it can be challenging but not the attempt to even try it in the first place.

This comment is pretty much the gist of it. Discord elitists, yes that's what they are. Gatekeeping content. Screwing over anyone who tries to pug it. SE essentially inadvertently siding with them by designing things this way and being painstakingly slow to catch on to things (if they ever catch on). Or just not caring.

I don’t like having to use Discord as much as anyone but calling people using it elitist is completely awful and unneeded.
They are normal people trying to clear and are just as annoyed by the entry way as others are.

Like… Jesus.

[Stasya]

But we always have that guy...

Just add Kissune to blacklist at least on forums. High end streamers doing world first prog looked miserable on streams because not only dumb system won't let you get into one instance together but also random people literally stream sniping (knowing first boss mechanics/listening to stream) taking places from premaders. I can guarantee you that randoms will try to sneak in to coordinated discords attempts aswell.

If dumb devs wanted to make just ONE raid for zone like eureka, that's fine, no one will bash them for it. However, they literally copy pasted dogwater design of getting into instance. Not because "people liked eureka", but because they are giga lazy to create system for 48 man alliance premade to queue OC and raid.

[Daralii]

When the Japanese players are talking about "volunteer blockades" to make sure PF groups can actually get into the instance, there's a very fundamental problem with the system.

[Khryseis_Astra]

Raids in the style of CLL or Dalriada are cool.
Raids in the style of DR or DRS are cool.

Repeating BA seems an odd decision when the above two examples worked well.

I still think we need to see how it goes though because BA itself became a lot more trivial over time once a significant amount of people had fully augmented elemental gear, bonus accessories, logos actions, raid leaders that fully coordinated and called out the mechanics, and other advantages.

I don't know about the 144 people issue but it seems like it's causing a lot of issues working like BA but not allowing the amount of people in that Eureka did.

Agreed… especially for the first zone? Looking at the map furnishing of the whole island, I’m guessing there will be three zones total: South Horn, the Central/Middle area and North Horn. Feels weird to start off with something that many people won’t be able to complete without an organized discord group… which is the main reason I still haven’t done BA because I can never seem to find a run happening at a time that would be good for me! (Also at this point I’d probably have to farm for actions again before I could even consider it.)

I’m kinda disappointed we didn’t have a CLL or Dalriada for the first couple zones… the part that really stings is that I assume the Tower is going to have some kind of lore dump that I’ll be missing out on because I will probably wait to try it until I have the best gear and everyone more or less knows what to do. Honestly I’d prefer a dungeon that didn’t require outside organizing to complete.