So how is everyone feeling about Occult Crescent now that it’s been a few days?

[Supersnow845]

Alone for this BS we should encourage more people to "snipe" slots, alone to f*** over those Discords. This kind of entitlement that others are dictating how to play needs to stop.

Whatever your opinion of the discords is sniping spots doesn’t benefit anyone because the discords aren’t stoping you from pugging puggable content they are trying to organise people through content that’s explicitly NOT puggable by randoms. You aren’t sending any message to the discords other than being annoying because you sniping doesn’t change their position because this content isn’t puggable. Square also doesn’t care because they won’t even notice this type of interaction because it doesn’t flag anything

If you hate the discords that’s fine but the problem is the entry requirements, not the discords feeling like they are the only way to make it viable for people

[Router]

Whatever your opinion of the discords is sniping spots doesn’t benefit anyone because the discords aren’t stoping you from pugging puggable content they are trying to organise people through content that’s explicitly NOT puggable by randoms. You aren’t sending any message to the discords other than being annoying because you sniping doesn’t change their position because this content isn’t puggable. Square also doesn’t care because they won’t even notice this type of interaction because it doesn’t flag anything

If you hate the discords that’s fine but the problem is the entry requirements, not the discords feeling like they are the only way to make it viable for people

Square makes the dumbest systems imaginable and the big brain geniuses on the forums start complaining about other players, like they're the ones who coded the stupid ass entry requirements. Half the posts make me think that they don't even care about doing the content and they just want to complain about Discord servers.

[TaleraRistain]

Alone for this BS we should encourage more people to "snipe" slots, alone to f*** over those Discords. This kind of entitlement that others are dictating how to play needs to stop.

That's punishing the wrong people. The fault for why Discords think they're entitled to claim this content is because SE's design allows it. This is entirely at SE's feet. We don't need to bring in more toxicity toward each other. SE isn't going to see the numbers of people in a Discord. They will see completion numbers.

[Stasya]

That's punishing the wrong people. The fault for why Discords think they're entitled to claim this content is because SE's design allows it. This is entirely at SE's feet. We don't need to bring in more toxicity toward each other. SE isn't going to see the numbers of people in a Discord. They will see completion numbers.

Are discords that "think they are entitled to claim this content" in this room with us right now?

It is not casual delubrum normal raid where you can just go blind into trap and get ressed afterwards wtih 100% chance of clearing even at giga slow pace if you have bad players in instance. You need specific amount of specific phantom jobs to clear whole raid. You need at least 6 tanks just for tank busters etc. No it is not even 4th savage floor grinding teeth week1 in pf type of a content, you just need a lot of preparation to enter.

Their own design creates an issue where sniper can mostly just grief raid out of tank/healer and some phantom job (since sniper is entitled to play phantom sam you know). Sniper can also just wipe entire raid either for fun (trap) or oops i only watched first boss guide. Not to mention that getting entire raid in instance is pain for no reason.

If anything, "casuals" should storm square everywhere in internet for no normal raid version and no 48 man alliance pf system for forked tower. ( just the latter tbh would have solved instance prog and allowed EVERYONE prog this content already)

[Astronema]

Boycott The relic and let the tower fall like the tower of babel it is. Divine punishment.

[DoubleJustice]

Alone for this BS we should encourage more people to "snipe" slots, alone to f*** over those Discords. This kind of entitlement that others are dictating how to play needs to stop.

You're angry at the wrong people.

When discord groups organize this content to be cleared, it's because the content won't be cleared without some form of organization, and a public discord server that everyone can join and get clears in benefits everyone.

People are getting mad at "snipers" because the only reason anyone can currently get into forked tower currently is because the discords are organizing it. It's similar to the idea that if someone spawns a super rare S rank, but then was unable to get credit for it because someone killed it before they could get there. That's not entitlement, it's just kind of basic fairness.

You are of course perfectly free to organize a run mid instance, "the discords" would more than likely respect that and continue searching for a new instance to join. But when people are just piggybacking off of other people's effort (in this case the effort of organizing 48 players and coordinating them all into the same conditions,as well as providing resources for people to learn the fights faster and get clears) I'd say that the people acting "entitled" are the ones saying "you should just be carrying me despite the fact I couldn't even put in the effort to queue for line"

And I don't want to come off as unsympathetic towards people who have really intense so ial anxiety and don't want to join a discord community full of strangers. That sucks, and I think everyone agrees that FT should have had an entry system and and difficulty similar to castrum/DLL, made a separate queable savage version. But that's on SE, not the people going out of their way to allow the most amount of players possible to do the content that's otherwise not being done.

[FuturePastNow]

I'm not mad at the groups organizing to do it, because that is the only reasonable way to succeed (though my own experience back when I finished Eureka years ago and tried to do BA wasn't very positive). But I will say that if people "sniping" runs cause those attempts to wipe and fail, that's still entirely the fault of SE designing it this way. Quite frankly I hope the number of people attempting this, much less clearing it, is far below their expectations because that's the only thing that will cause changes.

[Fawkes]

...Does repose really not work at all? In Bozja I remember farming some stuff with repose + lost death. I thought I'd try doing that with phantom doom but I get fully resisted every time.

I feel like the whole point of these zones is to have somewhere you can do stuff like use repose, since it's not allowed in the boring main game's design anymore.

[Asari5]

thief has that skill to get you more loot. is there another use except gold coins?
it doesnt work on fates, CE's and experience, right?

i've seen groups wanting to have a thief in their farming group but it s single target and has a 30s cooldown.
it doesnt seem good enough to chose this over something that makes the farming go faster / more stable.


is the only use of it when you farm gold coins solo?