Forked Tower runs are impossible to get organized

[Gurgeh]

Square you really need to just drop the old ff11 experience for these raids and just let these be queuable from outside the zone
Rather sit in queue for 30-45 minutes than waste my time to have nothing to show for it.

What?! that's how it works? /facepalm
Well that's just bad to worse.

[Rizlee]

no fun allowed yoshiSmirk

[Gurgeh]

The irony of their drip feed content releases is the game is so starved for anything to do when they finally release something the last thing people want is to be told yet again "you have to wait until it gets easier." By that point, they've long given up on even bothering. Which then leads to the dev team getting frustrated despite it being entirely their own fault. Or at the very least, SE's fault.

Everything about Forked Tower outside the actual content itself is a disaster that just shouldn't be happening ten years into a game's lifespan. These are amateur level design mistakes.

Yes 100% the reason I don't bother with savage.
It's not 99%. It's 100%.
I arse about with F all to do because all the opportunities to join people 'I know' in savage who can guide me a bit here and there and keep me company without it being 7 people carrying me which is just a painful cringe making waste of their time, and means I'm not sharing an experience at all, have passed 6-8 weeks ago.
I arse about with F all to do because I've cleared Ex but I'm damned if I'm going to pull the same Ex 300 times in a row for another 48/98 clears for a mount I can't get yet anyway.
Even then I arse about with F all to do 1 out of 2 nights because I can't even get into Ex with my 1 geared job. Oh and this delay to progressing ex is s big reason why I'm late to savage. 'avoidably late'. It should be a race to get into savage week 1 and 2 only. And there should be 'no' delay getting into Ex in 'any' job, at , all.
Then new content comes out... and it's the same all over again. The casual is non content, and can't get into Ex and I can't get into savage, and by the time I can, it's all over.
It's this, we wait for ages, finally get offered a nothing burger of casual, and blocked from the interesting content because we don't want to no life it. We just want to enjoy it.

"Enjoying yourself for a change?"
No, not really. I take it that's what you were hoping to hear?

Although, I am having enough fun in CE. I'm just pretending Forked, and the relics aren't a thing. I'm just here to do CEs till I get bored of getting better at them.

[Doki]

I have all 12 phantom jobs maxxed. I have full +1 gear on tank. I have 59 ciphers stored. I want to run tower for the +2 upgrades & mount, but seeing how the early runs have been going for people has NOT made me enthusiastic about it at all. I will probably go back to cosmic exploration to finish off my 500k on fisher and get mount before seeing if getting 48 people in has gotten any easier. It really makes little sense to me SE chose to do another convoluted system for this stuff. I guess updating their alliance \ queueing system to allow more than 3 PTs to enter together is too hard for their coders.

[VeyaAkemi]

I guess updating their alliance \ queueing system to allow more than 3 PTs to enter together is too hard for their coders.

It's literally already in the game, DRS allows for alliances of 6 parties.

[Doki]

Forgot about that... so dumb they can't be consistent

[Niamh_]

It's literally already in the game, DRS allows for alliances of 6 parties.

Honestly, they can keep all the stuff that comes with it being in an instance like the cipher entry system, the support fate, waiting for the weather, etc. Just let us queue into the zone with an alliance of all 48 people.

I sure hope rolling in and out of instances trying to get all your parties into the same zone isn't the fun 'old-school' FFXI gameplay they had in mind.

[Valence]

Meanwhile while people argue back and forth over difficulty vs casualness, I'm just there lamenting over actual fun and engagement...

[Arohk]

It's simply not possible to do this content with a random group of 48. Forked Tower is not only harder than Chaotic, but doesn't benefit from having an entire datacenter worth of players even if they did queue via the raid finder ala how JP approached it. You're literally trapped by 72 player limit. So not only do you need 40 other likeminded players in the same as your party, they need to be of good enough skill to actually do the content which is at a Savage level.

seeing how many people die to field bosses or fates in OC all the time should make everyone realize that a pug of randoms will never ever clear this.

Clearing Chaotic was already harder than clearing the first savage bosses, and if it is indeed above chaotic, yeah.. no shot any random group will ever clear this before the servers shut down.

[Maltothoris]

It's simply not possible to do this content with a random group of 48. Forked Tower is not only harder than Chaotic, but doesn't benefit from having an entire datacenter worth of players even if they did queue via the raid finder ala how JP approached it. You're literally trapped by 72 player limit. So not only do you need 40 other likeminded players in the same as your party, they need to be of good enough skill to actually do the content which is at a Savage level.

This is not content you can "jump in and have fun" on a whim. Without a premade I can guarantee you right now you won't ever step past the first boss even months from now. Nobody is going to touch this without premade parties on NA and EU. Heck, even JP is complaining about it.

Not just that but you also need the right jobs as well. No Thief, no geo, no ranger, no berserk, no time mage and no clear without any of those jobs.

Edit: Also the fact that the second boss is very prone to snowball effects. If even just 1 person messes up in ice or fire, it's over for the whole raid.