Quote Originally Posted by Kaurhz View Post
Lately? The forums has been this way for a really really long time, at least the General Discussion has.. It's more apathetic these days than what was, but the players are not the sole reason for this. People have been asking for things for a really long time (and in a sensible fashion), and beyond a point it just feels like screaming in the void.

Those topics could have been many things, and if I am honest it is not just on the onus of the thread starter or even the people agreeing. Like, let's take this RNG grind for instance.. People have demonstrably hated RNG-based grinds.. They hated the OG Atma, they hated the Luminous Crystal grind, they hated the layered RNG on the Coven weapons.

Which all of this is fine if they want to experiment... But many people raising these complaints are just having people enter said threads with a paintbrush and splashing the "Y'all just don't want a grind and want it handed to you on a silver platter" response. How do you expect people to behave with their criticism when people aren't even responding or acting in good faith as a response. All of this is to say that even of those that want or try to promote sensible debate and feedback, need to realize that they are unironically part of the problem and co-architects of this place being a bitter and toxic waste as you so put it.
I mean, to me, it all sounds like a bunch of kids throwing a tantrum if they don't get their way. At no point in time should you switch from being a decent human being to an abusive ahole just because you didn't get your way. That is never acceptable, so you trying to excuse that behaviour is very odd to me.

As for the issues with the RNG, I agree, it sucks but then again, if I dislike something enough I just don't do it. That's why I never did Bojza nor Atma, or anything that required a stupid amount of grind.

Now I am just playing OC every now and again with friends and between raiding. I go in there, play a bit, get bored -> get out. Also, JP has a huge culture of gacha and winning odds, which is why this stupid RNG even exists. I would prefer to have like.. Kill 20 X this mob and get 1 shard or kill 5 fates and get 1 shard, but RNG is a huge part of FF14, always has been.
I dislike RNG so much, especially after going the entire last tier without winning a single damn weapon coffer in M4s.. like..I was going insane..