Criticism

[Kaurhz]

You can leave feedback on the forums, but most of it doesn't qualify as that. It's just venting and throwing tantrums.

Look at how you are even constructing your argument. You have 0 self-reflection, and instead of actually pausing and asking yourself why, in 6-7 years, your feedback fell on deaf ears, you continue to spout your "criticism". Like really?

Take a step back and ask where it went wrong. It cannot possibly be because the "feedback" just comes out as spiteful, toxic waste most of the time, it's not because they don't want to make another exact copy of WoW (even though the base idea came from there), and it cannot be possible be because JP people will never outright tell you no, or that the fact SE has always been resistant to change and the direction they take.

Look at the damn topics on the front page:

Demiatma drop rates are unacceptable
FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE
Machinest Further Nerfed PvE? (this dude cannot even read the damn changes properly yet he is venting)
How disrepectfull
Who else is thinking of cancelling their sub these days?
So you acknowledge atma farm was awful but do it again 12 sec later?

Yeah, my dude, there is 0 hope forums will be taken seriously.

and like I told you, most of it is going to be anything but critical due to how frequently feedback has fallen on deaf ears, in combination with their community engagement simply doesn't exist, so I posit you the question -- Why ask people to leave feedback if you're going to ignore it or not engage with it? - This is one of the largest issues we have, simply because it comes across as ignoring... Why should I continue to leave structured feedback about the state of crafting when they have only showed signs of placed 'good' systems on top of bad systems, and these bad systems only serve to undermine what good can be done, e.g., placing expert recipes on an incredibly neutered crafting system, for example.

There is nothing to reflect about, lmao. As you yourself have said in this very post, they are resistant to change and the direction they take -- So why ask people to leave feedback when you're already following a mentality that contradicts the very purpose of leaving feedback in the first place? It doesn't really matter what the reason for it is when all of the reasons have the same result in this instance

Let's look at the topics then on the frontpage of the General Discussion which only accounts for the small amount of feedback ever left:

- Demiatma - Aka the stepchild of the dearly hated atma, released in a neutered form, because they don't know how to design a proper grind without subsequently diluting the value of it by locking it on 1500 tomestones, as opposed to appropriately distributing the grind, like they have literally done in the past. The biggest irony here is that much of this feedback gets diluted by people responding with "Well you just want it handed to you on a silver platter 20 minutes after logging in", without actually trying to engage with the posts to find out exactly why people don't like RNG-based grinds.

- FFXIVHEALERSTRIKE - How often has the feedback on Healers fallen on deaf or dismissive minds? How much feedback must have been left on the Healer subforum in the past 5 years. Their last response was "If you want engaging healing then go play an ultimate" - How often must people create sensible and reasoned feedback when this is their response.

- Machinist - LOL, you being serious?

- How Disrespectful - How often must Viera and Hrothgar players play the abandoned child arc before Square Enix come to the realization that what they are doing on continually patching out their mistake. Viera and Hrothgar have been treated abysmally since their release, how patient must people be with half measures done over 5 years?

- Who else is thinking of cancelling their sub these days? - How about stop trying to police the discussions that people have on the game, and how about you take a moment to self-reflect and consider the very fact that you're just as bad as everyone else that you are trying to laud over.

- So you acknowledge atma farm was awful but do it again 12 sec later? - Perfectly reasonable thread. Why chin dig at a bad feature and then subsequently release it? What is this meant to be an underhanded skit at the 2.0 players that endured the original atma? - Get a grip why don't you.

Yes, these forums will never be taken seriously, and as much as I agree that the onus is on the players... The feedback left is only going to be as good as the developers that are asking for that feedback... So once again I posit the question... Why ask players to leave feedback when your very mentality contradicts it... They are literally the author of this forum at this point, and everything it has become.

Further, you should probably take a moment to reflect yourself, and get some self-awareness whilst you're at it, because you are just as bad as the people supposedly 'venting and throwing tantrums'. If these threads are what qualifies, then I can assure you-- You're just as bad as everyone else, so get off your high horse lmao. Aggravated maybe? But crying and throwing tantrums? Nah.

There is nothing for players to reflect about when they've been ignored... Whether this is because of resistance to change, aggressive removal of threads and posts, or just simply dismissive responses to feedback, or not taking any past lessons learned and applying it to new feedback... The end result is always the same regardless of what the underlying reason is. People are just responding the same way the devs are, with apathy.