Criticism

[chapien]

FFXIV top raised issues:

“Hats on Viera”
“Dress X is clipping my cat girls modded d..k”
“Hats on Viera”
“Barbie costume X on store when?”
“Can we get NPC X’s hairstyle?”
“Can’t get a house”
“Hats on Viera”

This game isn’t going anywhere.

If these are the top raised issues (which I doubt), wouldn't that actually be a good thing? It would indicate that game breaking issues aren't prevalent enough to be the top reported problems.

[Kohashi]

Lately? The forums has been this way for a really really long time, at least the General Discussion has.. It's more apathetic these days than what was, but the players are not the sole reason for this. People have been asking for things for a really long time (and in a sensible fashion), and beyond a point it just feels like screaming in the void.

Those topics could have been many things, and if I am honest it is not just on the onus of the thread starter or even the people agreeing. Like, let's take this RNG grind for instance.. People have demonstrably hated RNG-based grinds.. They hated the OG Atma, they hated the Luminous Crystal grind, they hated the layered RNG on the Coven weapons.

Which all of this is fine if they want to experiment... But many people raising these complaints are just having people enter said threads with a paintbrush and splashing the "Y'all just don't want a grind and want it handed to you on a silver platter" response. How do you expect people to behave with their criticism when people aren't even responding or acting in good faith as a response. All of this is to say that even of those that want or try to promote sensible debate and feedback, need to realize that they are unironically part of the problem and co-architects of this place being a bitter and toxic waste as you so put it.

I mean, to me, it all sounds like a bunch of kids throwing a tantrum if they don't get their way. At no point in time should you switch from being a decent human being to an abusive ahole just because you didn't get your way. That is never acceptable, so you trying to excuse that behaviour is very odd to me.

As for the issues with the RNG, I agree, it sucks but then again, if I dislike something enough I just don't do it. That's why I never did Bojza nor Atma, or anything that required a stupid amount of grind.

Now I am just playing OC every now and again with friends and between raiding. I go in there, play a bit, get bored -> get out. Also, JP has a huge culture of gacha and winning odds, which is why this stupid RNG even exists. I would prefer to have like.. Kill 20 X this mob and get 1 shard or kill 5 fates and get 1 shard, but RNG is a huge part of FF14, always has been.
I dislike RNG so much, especially after going the entire last tier without winning a single damn weapon coffer in M4s.. like..I was going insane..

[MitsukiKimura]

I mean, to me, it all sounds like a bunch of kids throwing a tantrum if they don't get their way. At no point in time should you switch from being a decent human being to an abusive ahole just because you didn't get your way. That is never acceptable, so you trying to excuse that behaviour is very odd to me.

Then you really must not read posts and just either assume or skim through post after post which is on you. People have given fair critic over how many design choices have been for the worst over the years and if they are still posting here then they are still subscribed to the game. Also stating that in no point of time should you switch from being a decent human being to an "ahole" is hypocritical since your forum posts contradict that. Im all in all for fair critic it's how things get changed for the better.

[Kohashi]

Then you really must not read posts and just either assume or skim through post after post which is on you. People have given fair critic over how many design choices have been for the worst over the years and if they are still posting here then they are still subscribed to the game. Also stating that in no point of time should you switch from being a decent human being to an "ahole" is hypocritical since your forum posts contradict that. Im all in all for fair critic it's how things get changed for the better.

Of course, among the pile of S, some posts are constructed well, and they provide some quality feedback. It is still up to SE if they want to listen to or act on it or not. They are not obliged in any shape or form to implement any of the feedback given, so getting butthurt over it, it's also very weird to me.

As for me, I don't remember sending death threats, nor creating multiple alts, nor spamming the forums with topics like: wuk llamat must die, nor trying to avoid bans, and the list goes on, but sure..

[Bellsong]

Classical "Lets all get along!" voice of reason cope post after being put on the spot to defend opinions they willingly posted.

[Kaurhz]

I mean, to me, it all sounds like a bunch of kids throwing a tantrum if they don't get their way. At no point in time should you switch from being a decent human being to an abusive ahole just because you didn't get your way. That is never acceptable, so you trying to excuse that behaviour is very odd to me.

As for the issues with the RNG, I agree, it sucks but then again, if I dislike something enough I just don't do it. That's why I never did Bojza nor Atma, or anything that required a stupid amount of grind.

Now I am just playing OC every now and again with friends and between raiding. I go in there, play a bit, get bored -> get out. Also, JP has a huge culture of gacha and winning odds, which is why this stupid RNG even exists. I would prefer to have like.. Kill 20 X this mob and get 1 shard or kill 5 fates and get 1 shard, but RNG is a huge part of FF14, always has been.
I dislike RNG so much, especially after going the entire last tier without winning a single damn weapon coffer in M4s.. like..I was going insane..

This is because you're largely attributing posts to something which they are not. Take for instance the exampled Machinist thread, then asked a legitimate question, and you're sat here linking it in an external thread as if it's meant to be some sort of clown show, and with all due respect you really aren't much different. You can hide it under a passive undertone all you like, but really it's not much different from people that are being directly confrontational. I am not excusing anything, I am just not really surprised and unlike you I am not so inclined as to call 99% of all threads toxic waste of people venting and crying, and then generally I am just pointing out the hypocrisy behind your point.. Because from what I have gleamed so far, you're really not much different than the rest of us, the only major difference, you're using a passive undertone, and making the players the target of your attention instead of the developers.

and that's fine if you want to react that way, just don't expect people to react in the same manner, especially for content with which they have been waiting several years for... I'm in the boat of I simply don't care enough so I won't play it... Like I am playing Eureka over the new OC, and literally whenever I am not doing Eureka with friends, or just generally hanging out with them, then I immediately press the logout button, rather than even bother because I am driven to complete apathy.

[Kandraxx]

If these are the top raised issues (which I doubt), wouldn't that actually be a good thing? It would indicate that game breaking issues aren't prevalent enough to be the top reported problems.

More like that most people stopped caring about the gameplay or weren't even interested in it from the beginning. A lot of people misuse this as some sorta second life game and the devs are fully aware of that. I mean, I don't want to insult anyone but if you get into a virtual line to attend a virtual club in an imaginary virtual neighborhood then you need counseling and/or a job and money.

[Valence]

I am not sure you want my honest answer for that, but let's say the morning coffee tastes better.

So you enjoy your morning coffee salty or what? Or you get your kick getting into the very thing that you claim to despise?

I mean, to me, it all sounds like a bunch of kids throwing a tantrum if they don't get their way. At no point in time should you switch from being a decent human being to an abusive ahole just because you didn't get your way. That is never acceptable, so you trying to excuse that behaviour is very odd to me.

if I dislike something enough I just don't do it.

See your mindset I find absolutely baffling to read. Are you like this IRL too? Don't get me wrong, not taking part into something you don't enjoy, or not doing it because you dislike it, that's perfectly sane and I try to do the same after I'm done trying a type of content. I try it, make up my mind about whether I like it enough to continue or not. On that, we agree.
But then if you didn't like it, you're of the opinion that you shouldn't criticize it for what you perceive as being flaws or problems? You don't try to make the system better? Like what, IRL someone implements a policy that you hate, doesn't concern you much, you decide to stay away from it, and you certainly won't criticize it, but even more, actually go all your way to shit on the people that do because that's how you get your kicks? And you call people a bunch of kids throwing a tantrum? But what does it say about your own moral fiber?
I think there was a paragraph somewhere from MLK on the "moderates that do agree but will oppose any criticism or action anyway", which seems perfectly fitting.

[Mawlzy]

I mean, to me, it all sounds like a bunch of kids throwing a tantrum if they don't get their way. At no point in time should you switch from being a decent human being to an abusive ahole just because you didn't get your way. That is never acceptable, so you trying to excuse that behaviour is very odd to me.

I agree that remaining polite is preferable in nearly every scenario, but I don't see this as a "bunch of kids throwing a tantrum."

I'd suggest the problem since the release of DT is that nearly all the content has had major problems or has simply been dull. The level of frustration at this pitiful state of affairs has been steadily growing, and that has been reflected on these boards.

[chapien]

Some of it is certainly reasonable criticism. But threads like "HEALERSTRIKE" and "Occult sucks" made by a user named "occultsux" are hardly what I would consider reasonable. Nor are "Who else is cancelling their sub?".