Demiatma drop rates are unacceptable

[JuicyHeals]

I'm actually glad that all the people who cried about 1500 tomes get to suffer now. They got what they asked for. Mindless useless long grinds for a weapon that isnt even worth using.

I'm pretty happy with engaging with current content. I don't know why people are obsessed with getting this done asap for a weapon like you said won't have any worth till the tail end of an expansion.

But on that note relic grinds should definitely begin with an Expansion launch or 7.1 launch.

[fulminating]

I'm actually glad that all the people who cried about 1500 tomes get to suffer now. They got what they asked for. Mindless useless long grinds for a weapon that isnt even worth using.

The only reason I’m not happy with the relic structure this time is the inability to do anything other than dump tomes when you reach the actual relic obtaining bit. Leave the demiatma drop on and let me trade a set in or have the rocks drop from chains/fates/ces/chests too. It’s not as bad as dawntrail because you at least get a few mathematics from things within OC

[VeyaAkemi]

But on that note relic grinds should definitely begin with an Expansion launch or 7.1 launch.

I seen a suggestion before that Relics should have a "step 0" point where you take that expansion's Artifact Weapon and have you do *something* with it to give it a nice VFX and be the base for your relic, kind of like what was done in Stormblood, it would both allow to give the Artifact weapon some pzazz, and it would give a softer starting point. It also makes me wonder if people would be less whiny about "This is too much for a first step" if there was this step 0 there, probably not, but one can hope.

[Granyala]

Do you have a point besides pedantry over definitions? replace the word "hard" with any other that you feel is suitable, "longer", "intense", even "boring" if you want to be disingenuous, I want more of that.

I already did. The word "tedium" was chosen for a reason.

I really want to know what goes on in people's heads that they consider FATE grinds or even trash mob grinds "entertaining". Especially in that blasted OC zone where they keel over so fast that if you hesitate to teleport for even 1 second you no longer get gold. I just don't get it.

CE's are okay, as they at least have mechanics to watch out for.

But once you need the Atma from the south west of the map it gets yucky. Just not much going on in that area, which basically forces you into the overworld zone. I'm missing 4 Demiatma. 3 of those are the ones from the south west area. <_<

[MicahZerrshia]

But once you need the Atma from the south west of the map it gets yucky. Just not much going on in that area, which basically forces you into the overworld zone. I'm missing 4 Demiatma. 3 of those are the ones from the south west area. <_<

Same. And I was doing fates outside of the zone for 3 hours and still saw 0 drops of it. This concept in and of itself is bad and the least creative thing they could do but having only 1 CE and 3 fates in that area is just pure incompetance.

I just wish Yoshi PR could do something more than "How about FATEs?" when asked what kind of content should be added. Because we are going on 15 years of content that is made up of hallways, rooms and fates. To say it's getting stale is a massive understatement.

[Granyala]

Same. And I was doing fates outside of the zone for 3 hours and still saw 0 drops of it. This concept in and of itself is bad and the least creative thing they could do but having only 1 CE and 3 fates in that area is just pure incompetance.

I farmed mine in Kozama'uka. Got unbelievably lucky, around 17 Fates for all 3 drops. The all 3 came back to back at the end.

WTF?!, How is this in any way fair? RNG will even out over the playerbase but from player to player the difference in effort needed can be staggering. This is NOT good game design at all.

White Mage got her relic and I am done with OC. Unless my buddies want to go in, in which case I accompany them but I have -0- interest in this whole useless "phantom-job" leveling nonsense.

[Wired-Lain]

I need two more azurite demiatma and I've spent 4-5 hours farming fates and CEs every other day when I have the time (Both in OC and world fates) and I haven't seen a single one drop all week. Am I supposed to feel a sense of accomplishment when this is over because this isn't challenging its just an exercise in tedium. What exactly is the difference between this and just farming up tomestones? Both are dull, challengless tasks where you do the same content over and over and over the only difference is tomes are guaranteed and here you can pour hours upon hours of your limited time into the game to come away with a whole lot of nothing. The social aspect? Because this is about as social as a hunt train, at least early on. At this stage I'm relegated to one corner of the map and never see anyone.

My curse is the black mage weapon is the ideal looking thing I've wanted for years (Finally a nice, simple wooden staff that isn't made of evil hellmetal!) and I know this is going to be so much worse if I do it later but when (if?) I'm done I'm never touching this again lmao

[Supersnow845]

Why are people using the excuse that the relic is useless to justify that it’s too much effort for the output but not the counterargument; that if the relic is useless there is no reason why you need it right now to the point you have to bang your head against the wall and make yourself frustrated to get it

The statistical chance of not having the correct atma by the time you are +12 on phantom jobs is astronomically small. And as pointed out the current relics are useless. If you aren’t enjoying getting them then just don’t get them right now. Isn’t the whole “take your time you’ll get it eventually” literally how people try to justify the tomestone relics

[Granyala]

The statistical chance of not having the correct atma by the time you are +12 on phantom jobs

Eh? I thought the Phantom Jobs can only level to 6? At least that's when the game told me it's maxed out. Oo

I think the Atma RNG is a little too much for a first step, simply because there is no bad-luck protection.
The average drop rate is fine but said average might not apply to an individual player. Keep in mind: if sth. has the chance of 1 in a million, with millions of players some people WILL be affected by said scenario. IMHO game design MUST account for that.

You are absolutely correct, that if the RNG grind bothers people, they can and should just wait for a nerf.
SE WILL nerf this precisely because it is the first step. Put your legs up and use the tome weapon in the mean time.

[RenegadeInferno]

Eh? I thought the Phantom Jobs can only level to 6? At least that's when the game told me it's maxed out. Oo

Correct, well, depending on job.

They mean when you have all 12 Phantom Jobs at their respective max level.