Demiatma drop rates are unacceptable

[Cilia]

Honestly, this grind is no big deal considering that it is only done once. The problem moreso derives from the locations in which you can obtain them. When it comes to Occult, the SW section has 3/4 with only 1 CE that does it, 1 Pot, and then 2 FATEs that end fast. With how other areas spawn it is easy to be at a point where you are missing from 2/6 because of how the spawn rates work however at least doing the "open world" FATEs is a means to do it.

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A story that you can complete with minimal interaction with the content, and a 2nd phase grind that discourages you from using Occult as the go to method to complete.

That certain Demiatma only drop from certain FATEs / CEs adds another layer of RNG on top of the odiously low drop rate; you have to luck out twice to get one. Overworld FATEs let you target colors, but the drop rates there are no better than in South Horn (maybe worse) so either way people aren't getting the same return on time investment through no fault of their own, or even other players. It's just luck.

I noped out of South Horn after hitting Knowledge 20 and none of the FATEs / CEs I needed were spawning. Still needed 2 green, 1 light blue, and 1 yellow. Grinded in Yak Tel for 2 hours, got 1. Going at that rate it's going to take me as much time to get the rest of the ones I need as it took my brother to get twice as many. Feels bad.

And the fact you can't buy Arcanite Ore until you finish the Demiatma grind disincentivizes playing any other content since you'll be wasting tomestones you could use to buy more otherwise.

I want to go exploring in South Horn like you're supposed to and just do the daily dungeon grind, but RNGesus isn't favoring me.

[Bassets]

I agree with you 100%. I do not mind grinding, however over the last two days I have put in 13 hours of grinding and have not received any drops. All of my friends are done and want to do other things but feel bad for me so they are helping instead of doing the things they want to do.

I get the fact that some people didn’t like how easy EW was, and want to feel challenged, however, there comes a point when the grind ceases being challenging, enjoyable and fun, and becomes frustrating and annoying.

[aiqa]

RNG grinds in general are just not fun to me. Give me guaranteed drops with high requirements any day.

[Carin-Eri]

The Atma drop-rate is self-defeating in a way.

As have said, I've had very little luck with having any drop; since OC launched I've managed to obtain all of five Demiatma's and even then only three colours.
I'm not going to explore the mathematics of it all but I strongly suspect that, with the drop-rate being as appalling as it is, despite needing another four Cruiser Holosabers I'll be able to obtain another Historia weapon (from the M8 weekly) before I get anywhere near obtaining an OC relic weapon. Sorry, but that's just pathetic.

[Themarvin]

GOTO South Horn and stay there and you will eventually get all + reaping all the rewards coming with it.

[Carin-Eri]

GOTO South Horn and stay there and you will eventually get all + reaping all the rewards coming with it.

"Eventually" is right. I mean, I'm guessing that if I keep at it I may finally see a relic weapon by 8.0.

[Themarvin]

"Eventually" is right. I mean, I'm guessing that if I keep at it I may finally see a relic weapon by 8.0.

Ok it is faster in South Horn than anywhere outside...

You can risk spending 5 hours per if you are doing normal fates in DT outside of South Horn or more with no benefits at all.

And if you ONLY do CE's in in South Horn and skip fates you rule out a second chance... stop complaining, start playing the game.... litterally spend a few days in South Horn and got it done, it may be a week or so, if you got limited time.

And you can even focus on regions inside South Horn if you need specific remaining ones, having higher drop rate, shorter wait for the next fate and CE and more.

[Carin-Eri]

Ok it is faster in South Horn than anywhere outside...

You can risk spending 5 hours per if you are doing normal fates in DT outside of South Horn or more with no benefits at all.

And if you ONLY do CE's in in South Horn and skip fates you rule out a second chance... stop complaining, start playing the game.... litterally spend a few days in South Horn and got it done, it may be a week or so, if you got limited time.

And you can even focus on regions inside South Horn if you need specific remaining ones, having higher drop rate, shorter wait for the next fate and CE and more.

To be fair, the vast majority of my time since OC launched HAS been inside OC.

To quote what I said a few pages ago:

Absolutely!

I think the RNGesus must hate me or something to be honest. As I noted in another thread, and despite my misgivings about the appalling Atma drop-rate, I returned to OC yesterday with the mindset of "forget Atma, just grind Silver pieces".
And it's just as well I didn't go into OC with the intention of obtaining any Atma because, again, after eight hours (over two days) of running around inside OC I'd obtained plenty of silver pieces but not one single Atma.

Yes, I have spent short periods of time in Tural, seeing if the Tural FATES might yield an Atma (they didn't) but the vast majority of the time I was inside OC. And haven't had much luck there either.

[Themarvin]

To be fair, the vast majority of my time since OC launched HAS been inside OC.

To quote what I said a few pages ago:

Yes, I have spent short periods of time in Tural, seeing if the Tural FATES might yield an Atma (they didn't) but the vast majority of the time I was inside OC. And haven't had much luck there either.

Spend around 15-17 hours in there over 3 days or so... I had surplus of each kind up to 6, except for the last ones...

For me the yellow area in there took the longest and I regretfully spendt 5 hours outside of OC/SH on fates trying to get the last one.... NOT productive at all, I should just had stayed in OC/SH instead.

[Cilia]

Ok it is faster in South Horn than anywhere outside...

Let's put that idea to proof.

The odds of getting at least one drop are dependent on how likely you are to get a drop and how many times you roll the dice; P(drop) = 1-((1-p)^n), where p = percentage of getting a drop and n = how many times you've rolled the dice. In other words, better odds of getting a drop are dependent on how quickly you can get n to rise. If you're doing every CE and FATE in South Horn as it comes without concern for what Demiatma can drop yes, it's more efficient because FATEs and CEs spawn at about the same rate as FATEs in the overworld and you'll get to enjoy the higher drop rate from CEs (though they do tend to take longer so... even shake?). The formula for that looks a bit more complex, but basically you just calculate (1-p)^n twice using the different statistics for FATEs and CEs and multiply them before subtracting them from 1. However if you're gunning for a specific color because you're almost done, focusing on overworld FATEs will raise n faster than waiting for the right ones or CEs in South Horn. In half an hour you can do say 20 overworld FATEs (assuming a 5% drop rate, 64% chance of getting a drop) or 10 South Horn FATEs and maybe 2 CEs (respective 5% / 20% drop rate gives you 14%) gunning for a specific color.

I'm just guessing how many FATEs and CEs you can do in that time frame, but the n for a given color will rise faster outside of South Horn for sure so... whether it's faster to grind in South Horn or an overworld map is dependent on whether you're going for any Demiatma drop or a specific color, assuming FATE drop rates are equal in South Horn and that color's dedicated overworld map. (Might not be.)

(Note: P(drop) will never reach 1 a.k.a. 100%, so if you're supremely unlucky you still will not get any Demiatma no matter how many times you roll the dice or how high the drop rate is, assuming the pity system in most modern virtual gacha systems is absent as it seems to be here. Statistics, gotta love 'em.)

EDIT: Spent an hour grinding Yak T'el and Living Memory, got one (green) in 25 FATEs. That's a 4% drop rate, about on par with the reported 5%.