Demiatma drop rates are unacceptable

[SyferU]

To be fair for me personally I loved the Endwalker relic method. I never complained about it. It was 1000x better than this crap.

But what makes the relic weapon special is the time that you have to invest to get it. Endwalkers relic felt like any other weapon just come and pick it up. It really devalued the Endwalker relic.
The same way how Ultimate raiders are proud about the weapon they got for clearing difficult content. The average player is proud about the Relic which they had to invest a lot of time to obtain it.

[Ardeth]

But what makes the relic weapon special is the time that you have to invest to get it. Endwalkers relic felt like any other weapon just come and pick it up. It really devalued the Endwalker relic.
The same way how Ultimate raiders are proud about the weapon the got for clearing difficult content. The average player is proud about the Relic which they had to invest a lot of time to obtain it.

That's you not me. I don't want to deal with bullshit. So far this relic has been bullshit. The next step will be bullshit. I want a clear objective that isn't RNG that I can work at. There is no pride. I couldn't care less about pride in a video game. It's a video game.

The fact that after this RNG bullshit, it becomes like the Endwalker one. Almost like it's a better idea.

[HammAndCheese]

That's you not me. I don't want to deal with bullshit. So far this relic has been bullshit. The next step will be bullshit. I want a clear objective that isn't RNG that I can work at. There is no pride. I couldn't care less about pride in a video game. It's a video game.

The fact that after this RNG bullshit, it becomes like the Endwalker one. Almost like it's a better idea.

There is a clear objective, get the demiatma, most of the other relics had an RNG step in some form or fashion and it sounds like you just have bad luck with this one. EW relics were horrible and I never want them to do relics that way again. Relics are something you can grind on overtime (I am glad we didn't have to get demiatma for every relic, that would've been too much). I think its a perfect medium to have a one time grind followed by either less of a grind or tomes, we have 21 jobs now after all. I had bad luck with some of the demiatma but I just hard focused the ones I needed and got through it instead of endlessly complaining on the forums about it.

[Ardeth]

There is a clear objective, get the demiatma, most of the other relics had an RNG step in some form or fashion and it sounds like you just have bad luck with this one. EW relics were horrible and I never want them to do relics that way again. Relics are something you can grind on overtime (I am glad we didn't have to get demiatma for every relic, that would've been too much). I think its a perfect medium to have a one time grind followed by either less of a grind or tomes, we have 21 jobs now after all. I had bad luck with some of the demiatma but I just hard focused the ones I needed and got through it instead of endlessly complaining on the forums about it.

To be fair I've tried to grind it. I just don't find it remotely fun. I'd rather it be an objective like do 300 FATEs and you get your relic. I absolutely hate FATEs, but knowing I have x amount left would be better than leaving it up to RNG. You can get all up in a tussle about that if you want, but the Endwalker relic was better than this one objectively. I don't know if I will ever get this done or if I care to or not. I went back because of the patch notes. I figured I hadn't done it in a fair bit maybe I can chip away more at it and I immediately wanted off the ride. It's failed content to me. It's some nebulous grind that could be over today or in two years and at this rate never. I don't care about being BiS it's just something to do something which this game severely lacks in my opinion.

[Its_Kazzy_D]

You can get all up in a tussle about that if you want, but the Endwalker relic was better than this one objectively.

This is an opinion and an opinion cannot be objective. Endwalker relics are not "factually" better on an unbiased level. They were objectively easier. There's a difference.

[HammAndCheese]

To be fair I've tried to grind it. I just don't find it remotely fun. I'd rather it be an objective like do 300 FATEs and you get your relic. I absolutely hate FATEs, but knowing I have x amount left would be better than leaving it up to RNG. You can get all up in a tussle about that if you want, but the Endwalker relic was better than this one objectively. I don't know if I will ever get this done or if I care to or not. I went back because of the patch notes. I figured I hadn't done it in a fair bit maybe I can chip away more at it and I immediately wanted off the ride. It's failed content to me. It's some nebulous grind that could be over today or in two years and at this rate never. I don't care about being BiS it's just something to do something which this game severely lacks in my opinion.

We'll you said it best "it's just something to do" which is what all relics are, relics are busy work that gets you a shiny reward at the end that also happens to be BiS. Also, none of the relic grinds are objectively better than another, they all suck in their own unique way.

[Ardeth]

We'll you said it best "it's just something to do" which is what all relics are, relics are busy work that gets you a shiny reward at the end that also happens to be BiS. Also, none of the relic grinds are objectively better than another, they all suck in their own unique way.

Except for the Endwalker one

No, I'm shit stirring I didn't like the 4 repeat quests, but I liked the freedom. I think a better idea is to keep the freedom in parts that might be long-term, but with clear endpoints. Again I absolutely hate FATEs, but if it were a bar I was filling and I needed like 300 FATEs I would hate it still sure, but I have something to work towards. RNG is not a grind. It's a slot machine.

Anyway, that's all I'm gonna say. I'm done talking about this garbage system.

[SyferU]

That's you not me. I don't want to deal with bullshit. So far this relic has been bullshit. The next step will be bullshit. I want a clear objective that isn't RNG that I can work at. There is no pride. I couldn't care less about pride in a video game. It's a video game.

The fact that after this RNG bullshit, it becomes like the Endwalker one. Almost like it's a better idea.

I think you should be more Proud about the small things in life.
I'm not saying you should feel equally proud as a firefighter saving a person from a burning Building.
But you can definitely feel proud about your achievements no matter how small they are, even if it's just something you did in a game.

[Supersnow845]

I can honestly say I did not derive any "pride" out of doing all the ARR relics, or the steps of the HW ones I've done so far (recently finished getting all the crap for the Anima stage). In fact, it seems a lot of people forgot that even THOSE were "tomestone weapons" given how many thousands of Poetics they actually cost to get all the materials at various points, as well as Company Seals.

And no, I don't think tying relic weapons to Field Operations is any better because Eureka has been some of the most boring content I've ever done, and I doubt Bozja or Occult Crescent is any better.

At that point what do you even want a relic to be considering you don’t like literally any of the current SIX relic designs

If you genuinely just want a tomestone weapon then that already exists, it’s just not a relic