Demiatma drop rates are unacceptable

[Thurmnmurmn]

Initially I was on board with the drop rate being too low. However that was before I learned it was just a one time step and not required for every weapon. Now I think it's fine where it is.
If anything it could add a pity system that if you go dry for 9 CE's then you get the 10th guaranteed per example.
For me I didn't mind the grind though since the atmas were secondary to lvling jobs in OC or farming gemstones if I did overworld.

[dspguy]

you are not supposed to farm fates for them, go to OC and only if you are missing one or two get the rest from fates.
I would honestly say the droprate inside oC is ... 'fine' but the problem is that they are zone specific drops, so i got 12 orange and only one purple atma. at the end

I farmed OC until I needed 2 of 1 type and 1 of another type. I had even stopped doing CEs in areas of the zone where I didn't need that atma. Didn't matter - drop rates were terrible in there for those - for me. Then I farmed them in DT zones. Took 3 hours for 2 drops. However, I was at 8/9/10 of some of the other ones.

[PoutyPot]

you are not supposed to farm fates for them, go to OC and only if you are missing one or two get the rest from fates.
I would honestly say the droprate inside oC is ... 'fine' but the problem is that they are zone specific drops, so i got 12 orange and only one purple atma. at the end

if you still need bicolored gemstones, thats also a good oportunity for farm these and do the relic.

Between spamming fates non-stop and sitting on specific areas of OC praying and hoping there is going to be a fate or CE on that specifically area i need, which regularly doesn't, and then not getting demiatma anyway, i still rather watch paint dry, because then again, there isn't some delusional people trying to convince me that is ok to waste hours of my day and amount to no better results than when i started.

Miss me with that bicolor gemstone bs, this is like getting slapped on the face and saying "well, at least it wasn't a punch", that's a mindless grind i rather do on a monitor while watching something actually entertaining on the other, I rather not be drowsing myself in the copium that a handful of gemstones makes fates worth a damn, they don't, that's why no one does fates unless they absolutely need it.

Bicolor mats are only worth anything in the first weeks of the expansion and even then brings no profit that couldn't have been made by just selling dye on the market board, i couldn't care less for frame kits, orchestrion rolls, useless pets and furniture, every new content brings more of this useless garbage anyway, at least on the moon i could have an actual sense of progress with my tools, while on this relics i have to pray for RNG to bless me with one stupid stone that i need so many of.

[Cilia]

I spent 4 days farming for my atmas while my bf (who did the same content as me for the same amount of time) finished in 2. The problem isn't really the drop rate (tho its still not good), the problem is how people finish at massively different times despite starting at the same time. It really sucks to watch all your friends do the same thing as you and just get lucky.

That's the nature of RNG - fair on paper, not in practice. "Winning" isn't a measure of how persistent or skillful you are, just lucky. Getting the same reward later for more effort feels bad.

you are not supposed to farm fates for them, go to OC and only if you are missing one or two get the rest from fates.
I would honestly say the droprate inside oC is ... 'fine' but the problem is that they are zone specific drops, so i got 12 orange and only one purple atma. at the end

I think the idea is to get to Knowledge 20 (so you're ready for the next leg when it drops in 7.3.5) and then go grind overworld FATEs for whatever Demiatma you don't have yet (assuming RNG burned you too badly). Like you said though the Demiatma are area specific drops in South Horn, which adds another layer onto the RNG frustration - especially since the zones aren't all equal in size or have the same amount of FATEs / CEs dedicated to them. So not only do you need to get lucky for a Demiatma drop, you need to be lucky enough to have the FATEs / CEs that drop those Demiatma you need while you're in the South Horn to begin with, and you have to speed to the FATEs (some of which are over very fast depending on how many players are in the instance and difficult to get to in time if you're low Knowledge and/or don't have the riding map) just to roll the dice.

CEs might have better drop rates, but those have their own challenges (so many players in such a small space makes a lot of SFX and/or lag, which makes not dying needlessly challenging). And once you're nearly done it's smarter to go farm FATEs outside of South Horn to get the specific candies you need, but the abysmally low drop rates make that no less frustrating than praying for a CE you need to trigger so you have a better chance at getting the right colored candy. The extra ones you don't need (I have 6 orange) being useless is just salt on the wound.

I get this is supposed to be the "invest a lot of time" path to a good / cool weapon, but tying progress to RNG is contrary to that idiom - if you get lucky you finish quick, otherwise you're left beating your head against the wall until you make it to the end (or just give up in exasperation). The lack of a viable alternative to RNG (like Bozjan Southern Front letting you grind dungeons instead of praying for RNG drops) means there's no way to make it quicker, easier, or more predictable - you get lucky or you don't, which is a thorn in the side of people with limited time to invest. There is no promised reward for your time investment, either. (Which is why tomestones, boring as they can be, are a good reward - you can use them to get gear you need to keep up without relying on RNG, which is the whole reason their ancestral Badges of Justice from WoW: Burning Crusade were introduced to begin with.)

[Gurgeh]

The problem is lack of leadership on CB3s part.
It's my admittedly inexpert opinion that they listen to all the nonsense feedback, and ignore all the sensible feedback.
It's a simple question of 'probability' and 'player feedback'
They want it to be an ARR level atma string-out, while deceiving you that it's not.
Lower the number of atma needed, but also lower the drop rate.
They should have been honest.
They should have required more atma, and increased the drop rate.
That way you have feedback that you are making progress.
It's basic psychology that every child understands from when they went to visit grandma, who always had candies waiting, unlike mean mom and dad.

[Obi-one]

I hope some people will come to realisation that the patch was just designed to waste time.
So there will be some actual impact to shareholders for once - untill theres monetary incentive nothing is going to change.
Ya guys seem to forget that square is a publically traded company and not indie devs sometimes..

Ill stick to logging in once a week for reclears till my sub rans out.

[Thurmnmurmn]

Bicolor mats are only worth anything in the first weeks of the expansion

Points to bicolor vouchers. 120k on my world atm for only 100 gems.
Gems are an actual legit really good Gil making method.

The fact you find it boring is a legit reason to not like it. I ain't going to argue there. But they make no Gil????

[Zakuyia]

Lucky some ppl but not every experience is the same still don't have oracle job not all of us experience the same drop rate.

[PoutyPot]

Points to bicolor vouchers. 120k on my world atm for only 100 gems.
Gems are an actual legit really good Gil making method.

The fact you find it boring is a legit reason to not like it. I ain't going to argue there. But they make no Gil????

I already make the 120k gil just by selling soot black dye on the maket, and i don't need to wait days to sell a 120k voucher, the gil just keeps coming all day long , godbless.

[Immut]

Cry more. It's been a week. You've got months and the relic doesn't even do anything. When you get all your armor to +2 and still don't have a relic, then you might have a case. But regardless of demiatma rates, you're going to be grinding CEs for a long, long time.

Unless you're doing DT overworld fates then you aren't even entitled to an opinion because that shouldn't even be an option.