Demiatma drop rates are unacceptable

[Ardeth]

Relics aren't meant to be done in 6 hours. If you want that, you can buy a crafted weapon from the market board.

Of course not, but after 6 hours if there's no progression at all besides OC stuff then what are we doing? I honestly second-guessed it and googled how to get the atmas because it was so bad it gaslit me into thinking I was somehow doing it wrong. Also, you quote people when you talk about them.

But it's crazy I quit long enough to become a returner and this garbage has already got me wanting to unsubscribe.

[Brandr]

Heck, instead of 'Dawntrail Zones', we've now got six expansions: ARR, HW, SB, SHB, EW, DT. Why did they not have each of the Demiatmas be linked to an expansion (blue = HW, red = SB, purple = SHB, etc), and have FATEs in EVERY zone be revitalized, instead of having everyone cram into Shaaloani like sardines? That way, we'd also cause a revitalization of the boss FATEs, like The Eyes Have It in Coerthas Central, the Tarrasque one in Forelands, the FATE chains that grant achievements in SHB, allowing newer players a chance to get assistance with getting those achievements/rewards in a more organic way

This is an awesome idea!!!

[Jeeqbit]

They actually have made us farm old expansions before. Shadowbringers had us farm Heavensward and Stormblood areas. The Heavensward relics still make us farm FATEs in Heavensward areas. And ARR relics still make us farm them in ARR areas. But the effect is only temporary as less people do the relics.

[Khryseis_Astra]

I inclined to believe you guys saying you are having a hard time aren't really trying.

Well, I certainly wasn't and did it anyway...

That’s the thing about RNG… luck decides when you’re done, not effort. I got lucky so I’m done. Others are still trying, and that’s why it feels bad. Most who are already lucky enough to be done are praising it as a “great grind.” “It’s not supposed to be easy!” Those who aren’t done are rightfully miserable. RNG is a poor way to extend content.

[Jeeqbit]

That’s the thing about RNG… luck decides when you’re done, not effort. I got lucky so I’m done. Others are still trying, and that’s why it feels bad. Most who are already lucky enough to be done are praising it as a “great grind.” “It’s not supposed to be easy!” Those who aren’t done are rightfully miserable. RNG is a poor way to extend content.

I've been very, very casually grinding OC since it came out. I have typically spent 1-3 hours at a time there, and not even every day. I've even had week-long breaks from it due to being busy with other things. And yet, I have not only finished the atma grind, I have all but 1 phantom job leveled, and the last is nearly done. I also have a full set of +1 augmented gear except 2 pieces which I need to finish gold farming for.

There is no way that in the time we've had since it released that an ultra casual player, just doing it 1 hour per week, wouldn't have finished, when I've been almost that casual and finished so, so much more than that.

[Supersnow845]

Yeah but bad RNG and “I spent 4 days getting to level 12” are different things

Like in a nice way that’s very inefficient in a way I don’t quite understand

[Flowerscody2]

This topic perfectly exemplifies why the state of the game is what it is. So many pages of whiners complaining something wasnt handed to them. You know relics are optional right? You know theyre mostly just glam right? God forbid sonething in this game require a little bit of effort. You can get all 15 atmas in like 7 or 8 hours total of grinding fates in the overworld and people are throwing fits. This is why endwalker relics were a joke. People like the ones here complaining are quite literally ruining the game for everyone else.

[ForsakenRoe]

This topic perfectly exemplifies why the state of the game is what it is. So many pages of whiners complaining something wasnt handed to them. You know relics are optional right? You know theyre mostly just glam right? God forbid sonething in this game require a little bit of effort. You can get all 15 atmas in like 7 or 8 hours total of grinding fates in the overworld and people are throwing fits. This is why endwalker relics were a joke. People like the ones here complaining are quite literally ruining the game for everyone else.

I play OSRS, I'm not afraid of a grind.

This isn't about 'I want things handed to me for free', it is (in my case/what I posted, at least) about 'I would like to see SE have a bit more foresight in their designs'. Say that someone gets unlucky, with what I wrote in the game, all the 'bad luck protection' elements implemented. Okay, so instead of grinding OC for an undetermined amount more time, they can instead grind tomes or FATE gems and have a deterministic goal to work towards to get their missing Atmas. It might be 'less grind' if you know how long the undetermined OC grind length would be (hindsight and all that), but without that, we have to take the average length of that grind, and hitting a 20% chance 3 times in OC CE's, versus 'do 53 DT FATEs to get enough Bicolor Gemstones to buy the 3 items' seems pretty comparable in 'grind' to me.

By the time I completed the first step of the quest and had 3 of each Atma, my Atma counts were 6/4/9/7/3/3. Those extras, like the SIX extra lightblue ones, had no further use to me and had to be simply thrown away, discarded. Rather than that, what I suggested in my post would have given those duplicates an actual use, as being the thing you trade in to buy the relic (instead of 'random ore you've never heard of until now which happens to cost the exact same amount of tomes as the EW relic steps). Was I not 'grinding' when I obtained those duplicate Atmas?

Part of what people appreciated about FFXIV when first coming over from other MMOs, was that FFXIV's 'grinds' were more deterministic in nature. That they 'respected the players' time'. You could see the light at the end of the tunnel, because even though getting 2000 Light Points in HW sucked to do, you could see that it was 2000, and you currently had 'some amount between 1600 and 1800', so you knew 'oh I'm pretty close to done'. The problem with this step isn't the rates (they felt very fair to me, even before knowing the actual numbers). The problem is that you can get duplicates that are completely useless after the quest, making it feel like you're 'wasting your RNG', which, yeh that's not how RNG works, but it is how players perceive it.

Plus, I've not been back into OC since reaching max rank on all the Phantom Jobs and finishing the Demiatma stage. I imagine the same applies to a lot of players: They complete their 'goal' in there, and then they stop going in there. The amount of Tomes you earn by doing Critical Engagements in there is pathetically low, compared to other options (mainly roulettes). If I could hand in 1 of each Demiatma to get a Relic (instead of 3 'ore I've only just learned exists'), then there'd be a lot more reason to be in OC beyond the original grind, and we'd have reason to hold onto duplicate Demiatmas (to use on other Relics)


Again, this is not 'players don't want to grind', this is 'SE keeps making content that has an incredibly short 'expiration date', and players are catching on that SE has little-to-zero foresight in their design process'

[ShirakoShinkai]

This topic perfectly exemplifies why the state of the game is what it is. So many pages of whiners complaining something wasnt handed to them. You know relics are optional right? You know theyre mostly just glam right? God forbid sonething in this game require a little bit of effort. You can get all 15 atmas in like 7 or 8 hours total of grinding fates in the overworld and people are throwing fits. This is why endwalker relics were a joke. People like the ones here complaining are quite literally ruining the game for everyone else.

For one, if you're a raider, they are BiS at the end of the expansion. Two, I spent 4 days straight doing nothing but fates in the overworld, minus a few hours break for raid. At least 8-12 hours a day. The drop rate for fates is 5%. You are INCREDIBLY lucky if you got it done that quickly. I'm not asking them to hand stuff to me for free, I like a bit of a grind. What I DON'T like is the inefficiency of it if you want to grind it quickly. It doesn't take "effort" to mindlessly throw yourself at fates for 4 days. They should have had a better system in OC at least if they were going to make fates so bad.

Also god forbid people WANT to do the optional content, then get upset when it isn't as fun as they would have liked. Comments like yours are why the game is being ruined for me - people blindly accepting everything the game puts out and then tell people they're wrong for having a different opinion.

[Valence]

This topic perfectly exemplifies why the state of the game is what it is. So many pages of whiners complaining something wasnt handed to them. You know relics are optional right? You know theyre mostly just glam right? God forbid sonething in this game require a little bit of effort. You can get all 15 atmas in like 7 or 8 hours total of grinding fates in the overworld and people are throwing fits. This is why endwalker relics were a joke. People like the ones here complaining are quite literally ruining the game for everyone else.

Somebody has slacked in math class it seems.