Demiatma drop rates are unacceptable

[Valence]

How SE designed it:

Get 3 demiatmas, of which there are 6 colours, by doing FATEs and CEs in OC, or by doing FATEs in Dawntrail Zones. Each colour correlates to a part of the map in OC, or a specific Zone in the DT map.
After completing the initial quest, a vendor opens up, who sells you a new kind of Ore for 500 tomes each.
Spend 1500 tomes on 3 of the new Ore, and use the 3 Ore to buy the Relic.

How SE should have designed it (additions/changes in bold):

Get 3 demiatmas, of which there are 6 colours, by doing FATEs and CEs in OC, or by doing FATEs in Dawntrail Zones. Each colour correlates to a part of the map in OC, or a specific Zone in the DT map.
Once you have done that, you buy the Relic by giving Gerolt another set of 1 of each of the 6 demiatmas.
Wow, now any duplicates you happen to get, you can use on other relics instead of them being useless after the initial quest!

After completing the initial quest, a vendor opens up, who sells you the demiatma types for 250 tomes each. (This is instead of the 3 ores, but results in the same overall tome cost of 1500 tomes per Relic)
Wow, now if you have a ton of one kind of Demiatma, and not enough of another type, you can use the vendor and tomes as 'bad luck protection' and target-buy the one you have less of, to re-equalize your demiatma count!
Additionally, getting duplicate Demiatmas while farming out in OC stops feeling like 'damn my RNG is in all the wrong places' and starts feeling like 'hell yeh I just saved 250 tomes!!!'

Upon starting the 'get Gerolt his materials' quest, Bicolor Gemstone vendors in each Dawntrail Zone start offering the Zone's Demiatma type upon reaching Rank 3 for the Zone (cost: 250 Gems)
Wow, now if you are farming in the DT zones for the Demiatmas, you have a form of 'bad luck protection'! It also gives players more reason to grind out the Shared FATE system (beyond the current reward structure it has).
Additionally, because you can earn Bicolor Gemstones from as low as 70ish (via SHB FATEs), players might take the opportunity to level alt Jobs, even Jobs that aren't in the Dawntrail level bracket!


The amount of missed opportunities to revitalize older content is staggering. SE's perception of 'keep old content relevant' seems to be 'tie it to tomes, that way people will do roulettes', but there's more to the game than Instances.

Heck, instead of 'Dawntrail Zones', we've now got six expansions: ARR, HW, SB, SHB, EW, DT. Why did they not have each of the Demiatmas be linked to an expansion (blue = HW, red = SB, purple = SHB, etc), and have FATEs in EVERY zone be revitalized, instead of having everyone cram into Shaaloani like sardines? That way, we'd also cause a revitalization of the boss FATEs, like The Eyes Have It in Coerthas Central, the Tarrasque one in Forelands, the FATE chains that grant achievements in SHB, allowing newer players a chance to get assistance with getting those achievements/rewards in a more organic way

B-but SE hates options, common sense, and player agency

[Raikai]

Honestly, I don't think the Demiatma drop rates are an issue... because you only need to do it once. I feel they reached a good balance between the grind of ARR and the 'welfare-free' ones from Endwalker.

Demiatma could have an alternative, more grindy, way of obtaining, though, for those lacking in the Luck stat. For example, maybe one would drop per week for certain synced old savage fights. Or maybe one could drop from a full 100 HoH clear.

[CCheshire]

TBH, I don't mind Fate Farm in DT ONLY. I just would feel much more miserable if I had to do ARR, HW, and Stb maps all over again.

[Ardeth]

Endwalker's method was better. I'm sorry, but this new system is terrible and I refuse to participate in it. I spent 6 hours doing OC with my guild. It was not fun and not a single one. I will not play on your hamster wheel. If I wanted rng progression I would play WoW.

[Brandr]

Endwalker's method was better. I'm sorry, but this new system is terrible and I refuse to participate in it. I spent 6 hours doing OC with my guild. It was not fun and not a single one. I will not play on your hamster wheel. If I wanted rng progression I would play WoW.

This kind of justification doesn't even deserve a debate.

[Ardeth]

This kind of justification doesn't even deserve a debate.

6 hours of zero progression for my relic doesn't make me want to continue with it. I'm not one of the people who asked for this. I was perfectly fine with Endwalker's version. Maybe change the steps so it's not the same for each one, but being rewarded for doing anything I want to do is 100% better than forcing me into two gameplay types. It's worse in every conceivable way.

Also, I'm not going to debate it. I'm just not going to do it and resent the game more and more. It's no skin off my back if I never play again and stuff like this is pushing me towards it more and more.

[Brandr]

I find it so strange.

I'm a casual player. I don't grind. I don't have most of the achievements or trophies, I don't even have half of my jobs maximized. My WHM level is 15 for Twelve's sake!

I mostly go solo in OC and don't even take part of FATE trains, like ever.

Usually I participate of 3 CEs and leave to do something else, like trial or normal raid roulette, two or so society quests.

I'm saying this so you have a notion of how casually I play this game.

And yet, I got all demiatmas just doing some CEs, a few FATEs. Even before OC level 15 I already had all demiatmas.
Took maybe a week, maybe a little more.

I inclined to believe you guys saying you are having a hard time aren't really trying.

Well, I certainly wasn't and did it anyway...

[Brandr]

Btw, I said a week playing like 1-3 hours a day. Mostly with a second screen watching Kamen Rider Build and Chicago Fire.

[Exinias]

I find it so strange.

I'm a casual player. I don't grind. I don't have most of the achievements or trophies, I don't even have half of my jobs maximized. My WHM level is 15 for Twelve's sake!

I mostly go solo in OC and don't even take part of FATE trains, like ever.

Usually I participate of 3 CEs and leave to do something else, like trial or normal raid roulette, two or so society quests.

I'm saying this so you have a notion of how casually I play this game.

And yet, I got all demiatmas just doing some CEs, a few FATEs. Even before OC level 15 I already had all demiatmas.
Took maybe a week, maybe a little more.

I inclined to believe you guys saying you are having a hard time aren't really trying.

Well, I certainly wasn't and did it anyway...

That's cool but I have almost 5 phantom jobs leveled and still no relic. Some people really put in a ton of effort to get rewarded and don't, you put in minimal effort and got rewarded. Why you mad you had put in an 1/8 the effort of others just to think you put in the same effort?

[Jeeqbit]

Relics aren't meant to be done in 6 hours. If you want that, you can buy a crafted weapon from the market board.