Demiatma drop rates are unacceptable

[Genisay]

The majority of the atma I was able to get from OC itself. It's really just been this one last atma that has given me trouble, and I have spent almost three times the amount of time trying to get it compared to all the other combined. It's even more frustrating, because the color I need rarely has fates and CEs spawn for its area in the OC, and there does not seem to be a clear way that I have been able to find to encourage fates and CEs to spawn in that area, unlike killing Ink Stains to be able to spawn the quest CE.

[CCheshire]

The majority of the atma I was able to get from OC itself. It's really just been this one last atma that has given me trouble, and I have spent almost three times the amount of time trying to get it compared to all the other combined. It's even more frustrating, because the color I need rarely has fates and CEs spawn for its area in the OC, and there does not seem to be a clear way that I have been able to find to encourage fates and CEs to spawn in that area, unlike killing Ink Stains to be able to spawn the quest CE.

Yeah, I just moved outside to farm DT Fates. I know they confirmed it to be 5% but it's better than getting dupes of atmas I already owned, being angry at how the map ended up in OC.

[Valence]

So let me get this straight: Jeeqbit wanted something that lasts more than a day and so would have been actually happy trudging through 200 fates just for one candy of colour, but got done with the whole relic in a way shorter time because good rng. On the other hand, Naia felt it awful to get gated by such a bad rate on 200 fates for a single candy of colour and could have done with something faster there.

Do we still need to pain a picture how stupid this kind of design is and how toxic it's making the community at each other? XIV, the game that always tries to pride itself as avoiding player stress and conflict, literally designs toxic systems constantly.

[Khryseis_Astra]

So let me get this straight: Jeeqbit wanted something that lasts more than a day and so would have been actually happy trudging through 200 fates just for one candy of colour, but got done with the whole relic in a way shorter time because good rng. On the other hand, Naia felt it awful to get gated by such a bad rate on 200 fates for a single candy of colour and could have done with something faster there.

Do we still need to pain a picture how stupid this kind of design is and how toxic it's making the community at each other? XIV, the game that always tries to pride itself as avoiding player stress and conflict, literally designs toxic systems constantly.

Exactly. And this is why I hate the RNG aspect of it. It’s not really a grind, it’s luck. And it results in some people being lucky and getting done in a reasonable amount of time, and some who are unlucky still grinding away and getting more frustrated.

I’m curious how many of the those who think the RNG aspect is fine, have already completed their relic or just don’t really care about it that much. I have mine, but I still hated the RNG aspect. It’s not based on effort, I sure as heck didn’t “work for” my relic harder than someone who’s still trying to get their demiatma!

[Jeeqbit]

At that point would be easier to just wait for CEs here https://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/m...miatma_map.jpg

[Altina_Orion]

Right, it is in fact faster to just do CEs UNLESS there is one specific demiatma you are lacking

[Raim]

Rather than a 20% droprate it should just be a fixed amount. Just make the relic a bar you fill up over time. Set it to like 1000 and each CE gives you say 10 points and each Fate gives 5. You get roughly the same amount of expected grind, but its determinate, adjustable in the future and can be applied to all sorts of content.

[Akira]

im not even trying for relics this time around, this game can't get me to stay entertained to do that grind for something that ends up meaningless except for glamour

[Cidel]

Here's my issue with farming demiatma in DT zones, let alone "target farm your last demiatmas in a DT zone:" this crap is like a year old. Unless you have a personal vendetta against being in OC, I'd rather be running the new content, steadily maxing-out phantom jobs and earning silver pieces for somewhat relevant alt-gearing and scoring random stuff in chests while participating in FATEs in there and even CEs (with a reported better drop rate). Heck, if you're chasing FATEs with a semi-active party or even playing solo on tank, you can get full-credit on FATE bosses that die in under half a minute as opposed to potentially spending upwards of 5 minutes on one DT FATE, pending the zone's active players.

You could make an argument that the verdigris demiatma is the most egregious, (I have an FC mate with a story on this one; spending their day-off in Kozamauka with no drops at all), but unless you've already maxed-out your shared FATEs in all zones and can buy the mount vouchers, increasing your reputation in just that one zone is more or less useless, even for crafting mats, as Cosmic Exploitation is a thing now.

I mean, you do you for whichever of the two methods you prefer, but even as someone who completed the DT shared FATEs, I'm so over them that I couldn't imagine going back there and wasting a whole day on one entire zone again.

[Altina_Orion]

Here's my issue with farming demiatma in DT zones, let alone "target farm your last demiatmas in a DT zone:" this crap is like a year old. Unless you have a personal vendetta against being in OC, I'd rather be running the new content, steadily maxing-out phantom jobs and earning silver pieces for somewhat relevant alt-gearing and scoring random stuff in chests while participating in FATEs in there and even CEs (with a reported better drop rate). Heck, if you're chasing FATEs with a semi-active party or even playing solo on tank, you can get full-credit on FATE bosses that die in under half a minute as opposed to potentially spending upwards of 5 minutes on one DT FATE, pending the zone's active players.

You could make an argument that the verdigris demiatma is the most egregious, (I have an FC mate with a story on this one; spending their day-off in Kozamauka with no drops at all), but unless you've already maxed-out your shared FATEs in all zones and can buy the mount vouchers, increasing your reputation in just that one zone is more or less useless, even for crafting mats, as Cosmic Exploitation is a thing now.

I mean, you do you for whichever of the two methods you prefer, but even as someone who completed the DT shared FATEs, I'm so over them that I couldn't imagine going back there and wasting a whole day on one entire zone again.

This was absolutely the devs' intentions