Please Stop Genderlocking Gear

[Doomed_Raven]

I'm not talking about the people with "different fashion opinions" I'm talking about the ones who are outright attacking/insulting people who aren't straight or cis. (Who keep getting their posts deleted I might add, so clearly the mods don't like their tone or input either.)

I'm not obligated to tolerate their intolerance, and I'm not the bigot for telling homophobes/transphobes to STFU and GTFO because their opinions and voting are part of why my country (USA) continues to be such an embarrassing craphole.

There's been a whole lot of intolerance from both sides in this thread (and the other similar one). Both heterophobia and homophobia, I agree none of it is ok (if people outright attack people personally for who they are, their comment should be removed as it's not about the forum topic).

No one should have to tolerate intolerance either, but wanting to outright silence people and remove their ability to vote, to circumvent democracy - would be the highest form of intolerance and a fast route to tyranny. It would be becoming what one claims they are fighting against. The great thing about free speech is everyone on this thread straight, gay, green, red, blue can be an A hole whether they want to or not, and whether they realize it or not. If they want to, others will probably point it out or ask why (or comment removed). And if someone doesn't realize they have offended someone, they can be made aware. I remember that US politician RFK Jr said his family would sit around the dinner table and with different political opinions; be able to find common ground by communicating.

Also I've never come across a single person (IRL) who has issue with who someone sleeps with or is attracted to.** Any grievances or concerns such people have often stem from their own ability to be left alone and to live peacefully, apparently without that being impeded upon. It's like a blame game of who is stepping on who's toes. **I'm not suggesting by the way that such people do not exist, they certainly will. I'm with you on that (and would defend you if someone bullied you for who you fancy). Just remember life is never so black and white as 'you' and 'them' or 'good' and 'bad', humans are too complex and with too many experiences to be categorized like this. The only people the idea of 'you' and 'them' benefits are nefarious governments and corporations.

[SophiaDL]

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You quite literally are an extremist, simply the other side than the "trumpers" you talk about, basically you're just as bad as them, your words say enough, this last post of yours included, you are ready to blatantly ignore democracy, remove people's right of voting (and more), have them silenced, because allegedly they all want to "exterminate you".

Honestly this is why I am glad I am not living in the US, the american population is far too involved in its politics to the point it basically becomes a part of their personality, be it center, left or right, and it ends up with people like you or a few others in this thread, or even far right extremists that think all bi's and gay's should be exterminated like you said. You guys are fueled by hatred for one side or another, and live off your lives every single day like this just wishing ill on others because their opinions differ, and that goes for both sides.

One last thing I will say though, the absolute extermism you and others in this thread are showing and honestly vitriol towards anyone that doesnt share your opinions, basically insulting people calling them bigots or homophobes (and more) is not rallying anybody to your cause, and especially not gay people like me or bisexuals that are more "neutral" on LGBTQIA+ issues. You are rallying them away with extermism. That is also why if you do a bit of research, the acceptance rates of gay marriage has been going down, weirdly since this whole thing started with extreme politics. It might be a good time to stop watching the TV and political news for a while.

[Doomed_Raven]

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I can't say anything about Trump supporters other than a video I saw (I'm not from America). But groups of people in general following an ideology can be unpleasant, whilst I think no group is objectively evil. Groups are made up of individuals many of whom are likely much nicer than the group, I think many groups may look evil because of media framing (we live in a time of propaganda that'd make Stalin blush). They may simply have have parts to them which are bad and this is all we have seen. I saw a video of a young black male walk into the middle of a Trump rally and every single person was kind to him and shook his hand, they didn't all know they were on camera, I wouldn't see this on the news. Exterminate is a very strong and serious word, I've not seen this rhetoric in the news (though news today is just propaganda) I would hope no one would begin to think of doing that, because it's pure tyranny, and I'd not personally vote for any bill that could even allow such thing as a discussion. Democrats too will be the same, they'll have people who genuinely want to do good, and some bad, but some people may see them as wholly bad or good.

There is no impure ancestry, everyone started off as a dot on a rock 4 billion years ago. If anyone thinks you're impure than all humans are. Yeah I'm with you on that, I don't like censorship, it's rarely ever a good thing and stifles creativity

Free speech unfortunately has to allow people to offend others whether they realize it or not and whether they intend to or not. And this is where it gets complex, if they didn't intend to nor realize it, should they be persecuted or ostracized? What if what they say isn't hate but an opinion and who decides what constitutes as hate speech, which words fall under it, or the ramifications? Hate speech is a word already used by governments at least as a tool for tyranny (deliberately obfuscated definitions so one cannot know when they'll breach it, and authorities cannot know how to police it giving limitless boundaries) all they need to do then is reinterpret other words to fall under it. If it is just straight up easily defined hate with no attempt to actually discuss something, then yeah people should be called out for that or go away as they aren't trying to seek answers or understand - they're probably just bullies. I'm not up to the DT content yet, personally I'm not bothered who an actor is, all I want is someone that is fitting for the role and good at it (not there simply as a token gesture to tick political boxes). I can't speak for this character or why people dislike the VA to say if it is people being hateful, maybe some are.

Ah death threats? Yeah, prison immediately. Thanks for the additional context, sounds like some people criticized her voice acting and she made some bad remarks online, but others felt a need to make death threats, which won't help anything.

[velkettin]

idk why i'm still watching this trainwreck but the nazis called their party that for propagandistic reasons, not because they were actually socialists. fascism's origins lie in the protection of capital interests and the breaking of labour unions and the gains they had made, in both italy and germany. they violently suppressed communist and socialist parties in their own countries before anything else and the nazis loved to privatize previously national industries.

read blackshirts and reds by michael parenti, at least a little bit. only looking at old sources doesn't mean you'll be insulated from propaganda. also what in the BBOC is that number