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    Quote Originally Posted by Rithy255 View Post
    I mean I solely disagree on the basis that we should gender lock certain types of gear, if it's not appropriate for men to wear it's also not appropriate for women to wear I feel like to come to a different conclusion you must hold some internal bias, I don't even like looking at men in 2b leggings myself (mostly because I'm only attracted to women), but I can see how 2b leggings on women would also possibly be room for uncomfortably for certain people.

    The problem is there isn't really a "middle ground" you are either against men expressing themselves more feminine publicly or your fine with that, the idea that theirs middle ground isn't really founded obviously you can not care but I feel if you do not care how men dress up would mean you'd agree with me, at least in the idea that you wouldn't mind either way if feminine male options were added (it really shouldn't be a big deal imo).

    Obviously I am LGBT so I do have some bias and I can admit that, I feel like the person you replied to had a valid point and theirs obviously people who are being blatantly bigoted, I also don't want to act like some poor victim but I can understand being tired of seeing constant complaining about peoples gender or sexuality and people wishing bad intent on people does actually become tiring, I feel like if you really don't understand it (from what I'm assuming is a straight persons perspective) you tend to hear just both sides having a screaming contest.

    If you don't really want to engage with people that are LGBT (for example if someone is trans) theirs a difference on not engaging vs purposely baiting a reaction by misgendering them and just being outright rude, I can even understand slipping up but if you come at people hostile or baiting anger or upset it's not really a surprise when you get a response of them being upset.

    Lastly I don't really want to assume much about you either way I also have no context on what you said that would get people to call you what they did, from my view I really find it hard that a lot of people are truly "neutral" but that's also based on my bias and past experiences with people.


    Good for you I'm a lesbian and don't like looking at men wearing tights but if women should be able to wear them what's wrong with men wearing them, again it seems like rules for me not for thee, your sexuality doesn't change your opinion, making no sense.
    trans I don't mind at all I am pansexual I just think it show a overall bad light to the community because I see this as man laughing of woman and I aren't even woman irl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails View Post
    trans I don't mind at all I am pansexual I just think it show a overall bad light to the community because I see this as man laughing of woman and I aren't even woman irl
    I don't think there's any need to get offended on behalf of women. Personally, what a male character wears in a video game isn't disrespectful to me, or laughing at me. It's just clothes.

    If you're worried about women's dignity; designing sexy clothes for women, and Only women, degrades them and objectifies them for men. But if the same glams are available to everyone, then it's fair game, because nobody is patronizing to you what you "should" wear because of your gender. Does that make sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evermomo View Post
    I don't think there's any need to get offended on behalf of women. Personally, what a male character wears in a video game isn't disrespectful to me, or laughing at me. It's just clothes.

    If you're worried about women's dignity; designing sexy clothes for women, and Only women, degrades them and objectifies them for men. But if the same glams are available to everyone, then it's fair game, because nobody is patronizing to you what you "should" wear because of your gender. Does that make sense?
    it does yes but I still think it shouldn't be a thing still like yes having better cloth for woman would be good but also most people also sexual voluntary. that's why what they could do is like piece of gear with 2 or 3 option like variant option when you get it that's what I think should happen and same for emote like don't like that one use change pose to have a other option but for clothing. like masculine neutral and masculine feminine version. don't know if you get what I mean here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails View Post
    it does yes but I still think it shouldn't be a thing still like yes having better cloth for woman would be good but also most people also sexual voluntary. that's why what they could do is like piece of gear with 2 or 3 option like variant option when you get it that's what I think should happen and same for emote like don't like that one use change pose to have a other option but for clothing. like masculine neutral and masculine feminine version. don't know if you get what I mean here
    It's hard to tell because of how you're constructing your sentences, but wouldn't that be just as good as providing glams to everyone?

    In the case of this content, there are three FF5 glams you can buy with the new currency. One is Bartz' gear for silver pieces, and the other two are Lenna's and Faris' gear for gold pieces. Bartz's gear is more unisex, Faris' is more masculine (because she disguises herself as a man while captaining her ship, spoilers for ff5) and Lenna is more feminine. This provides a variety of masculine, feminine, and neutral styles for everybody-- except they censored/changed Lenna's gear, but only for men. My argument is they should do exactly what they did-- have a feminine, masculine, and neutral option in content rewards-- but let everybody access it, and not censor certain parts of the outfits for certain people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evermomo View Post
    It's hard to tell because of how you're constructing your sentences, but wouldn't that be just as good as providing glams to everyone?

    In the case of this content, there are three FF5 glams you can buy with the new currency. One is Bartz' gear for silver pieces, and the other two are Lenna's and Faris' gear for gold pieces. Bartz's gear is more unisex, Faris' is more masculine (because she disguises herself as a man while captaining her ship, spoilers for ff5) and Lenna is more feminine. This provides a variety of masculine, feminine, and neutral styles for everybody-- except they censored/changed Lenna's gear, but only for men. My argument is they should do exactly what they did-- have a feminine, masculine, and neutral option in content rewards-- but let everybody access it, and not censor certain parts of the outfits for certain people.
    we are here to agree and disagree but what I meaning meant is like overall all glam because Lenna is still a female at the end and not a male that's what I believe in like wanna wear it well be a female or do like most will sadly do and use mods to change it on your screen not like 99% of the playerbase use those and gm does nothing against it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails View Post
    we are here to agree and disagree but what I meaning meant is like overall all glam because Lenna is still a female at the end and not a male that's what I believe in like wanna wear it well be a female or do like most will sadly do and use mods to change it on your screen not like 99% of the playerbase use those and gm does nothing against it
    I'm happy to disagree, but I will still ask you to justify your opinion, just like I would expect anybody else to ask me to justify mine. You're free to walk away and don't have to respond to me, but for as long as you do, I'm likely to keep asking critical questions. For example;

    If men are men, and women are women, then why is Faris' outfit and character okay? After all, she's female and not male, so should she not dress like that?
    If men are men, and women are women, is it not okay to play as the opposite sex character in a video game? You're something of a digital drag queen. If it's okay because it's pretend or virtual, then why doesn't pretend or virtual clothing count?
    Have you ever dressed your female character in revealing clothing? Do you think only men should get to do that?

    I hope you can see how that's a double standard that objectifies women, and patronizes both genders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evermomo View Post
    I'm happy to disagree, but I will still ask you to justify your opinion, just like I would expect anybody else to ask me to justify mine. You're free to walk away and don't have to respond to me, but for as long as you do, I'm likely to keep asking critical questions. For example;

    If men are men, and women are women, then why is Faris' outfit and character okay? After all, she's female and not male, so should she not dress like that?
    If men are men, and women are women, is it not okay to play as the opposite sex character in a video game? You're something of a digital drag queen. If it's okay because it's pretend or virtual, then why doesn't pretend or virtual clothing count?
    Have you ever dressed your female character in revealing clothing? Do you think only men should get to do that?

    I hope you can see how that's a double standard that objectifies women, and patronizes both genders.
    have you played ff5 because Faris as yes being a female explain why she cloth as a male you know. Being in a band of pirates
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    Completely agree that the locks only cause problems. All characters should be able to access any variant of gear, it will lead to more variety and allow for better individual expression.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails View Post
    we are here to agree and disagree but what I meaning meant is like overall all glam because Lenna is still a female at the end and not a male
    But clothing rules are all arbitrary anyway. Not only that, they're constantly changing and contradictory. Heels started off as male fashion. Objectively anyone can wear anything that fits them, so I think that's a sensible way to approach virtual clothing. It also alleviates the problem of seeing nice outfit pieces and trying to track them down only to be disappointed because you can't wear them for no reason at all.
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