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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails View Post
    I didn't knew oppression was now a thing because you all desire something and people are just tired of all that ideal you all have. but again gonna play the victim 24/7
    Well If you can't see the blatantly obvious homophobia in some of the posts I think you just might be part of the problem, though I'm sure you have a ideal where you don't want to see people different from the norm in general if I'd have to take a guess.

    What Ideal do people have exactly? men wearing 2b leggings are already in the game, it's not like SE are blatantly against men wearing more feminine outfits. As tired as you are, people can already dress up feminine as a man, so the idea of restricting some glams still makes no sense in the first place.

    Frankly I'd understand if people were annoyed at seeing skimpy outfits in general (I don't particularly like a lot of feminine versions for that reason) but being against people wearing outfits based on in game gender is discrimination no real other way of putting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rithy255 View Post
    Well If you can't see the blatantly obvious homophobia in some of the posts I think you just might be part of the problem, though I'm sure you have a ideal where you don't want to see people different from the norm in general if I'd have to take a guess.

    What Ideal do people have exactly? men wearing 2b leggings are already in the game, it's not like SE are blatantly against men wearing more feminine outfits. As tired as you are, people can already dress up feminine as a man, so the idea of restricting some glams still makes no sense in the first place.

    Frankly I'd understand if people were annoyed at seeing skimpy outfits in general (I don't particularly like a lot of feminine versions for that reason) but being against people wearing outfits based on in game gender is discrimination no real other way of putting it.
    I think the wedding dress the maid outfit and 2b cloth should be gender locked male should have gotten 9S gear instead and I am sorry I am tired to see everyone complaining and want people say no thanks being call whatever it is. also not like most people who complain they don't have what they want use mods and will mods them instead of the male version. I am just finding this annoying always seeing people complain I do agree that some piece should have like 2 or 3 variant as you buy them for sure but I am more then happy to have SE gender lock thing still like I male aren't woman and woman aren't male we can have good middle ground for sure but always playing the victims doesn't change thing if people say they are non binary I don't have to acknowledge it if I don't believe it yet they will all for me to do otherwise I am the worst person in the world. look if someone nee help they should get help. I aren't aggressive but everyone have to accept other people opinion afterall you are on the internet if you can't take criticism then I do guess you leave the internet.


    I don't mean to go off on you if I sound like it I am part of the LGBT community I believe in many thing but the same community called me thing I find ironic. but again people have to understand both side but right now one side have been so focused that they suppress other people opinion
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails View Post
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    I mean I solely disagree on the basis that we should gender lock certain types of gear, if it's not appropriate for men to wear it's also not appropriate for women to wear I feel like to come to a different conclusion you must hold some internal bias, I don't even like looking at men in 2b leggings myself (mostly because I'm only attracted to women), but I can see how 2b leggings on women would also possibly be room for uncomfortably for certain people.

    The problem is there isn't really a "middle ground" you are either against men expressing themselves more feminine publicly or your fine with that, the idea that theirs middle ground isn't really founded obviously you can not care but I feel if you do not care how men dress up would mean you'd agree with me, at least in the idea that you wouldn't mind either way if feminine male options were added (it really shouldn't be a big deal imo).

    Obviously I am LGBT so I do have some bias and I can admit that, I feel like the person you replied to had a valid point and theirs obviously people who are being blatantly bigoted, I also don't want to act like some poor victim but I can understand being tired of seeing constant complaining about peoples gender or sexuality and people wishing bad intent on people does actually become tiring, I feel like if you really don't understand it (from what I'm assuming is a straight persons perspective) you tend to hear just both sides having a screaming contest.

    If you don't really want to engage with people that are LGBT (for example if someone is trans) theirs a difference on not engaging vs purposely baiting a reaction by misgendering them and just being outright rude, I can even understand slipping up but if you come at people hostile or baiting anger or upset it's not really a surprise when you get a response of them being upset.

    Lastly I don't really want to assume much about you either way I also have no context on what you said that would get people to call you what they did, from my view I really find it hard that a lot of people are truly "neutral" but that's also based on my bias and past experiences with people.

    Quote Originally Posted by SophiaDL View Post
    I am quite literally gay and I dont want male characters to be wearing tights.

    Thank you very much.
    Good for you I'm a lesbian and don't like looking at men wearing tights but if women should be able to wear them what's wrong with men wearing them, again it seems like rules for me not for thee, your sexuality doesn't change your opinion, making no sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rithy255 View Post
    I mean I solely disagree on the basis that we should gender lock certain types of gear, if it's not appropriate for men to wear it's also not appropriate for women to wear I feel like to come to a different conclusion you must hold some internal bias, I don't even like looking at men in 2b leggings myself (mostly because I'm only attracted to women), but I can see how 2b leggings on women would also possibly be room for uncomfortably for certain people.

    The problem is there isn't really a "middle ground" you are either against men expressing themselves more feminine publicly or your fine with that, the idea that theirs middle ground isn't really founded obviously you can not care but I feel if you do not care how men dress up would mean you'd agree with me, at least in the idea that you wouldn't mind either way if feminine male options were added (it really shouldn't be a big deal imo).

    Obviously I am LGBT so I do have some bias and I can admit that, I feel like the person you replied to had a valid point and theirs obviously people who are being blatantly bigoted, I also don't want to act like some poor victim but I can understand being tired of seeing constant complaining about peoples gender or sexuality and people wishing bad intent on people does actually become tiring, I feel like if you really don't understand it (from what I'm assuming is a straight persons perspective) you tend to hear just both sides having a screaming contest.

    If you don't really want to engage with people that are LGBT (for example if someone is trans) theirs a difference on not engaging vs purposely baiting a reaction by misgendering them and just being outright rude, I can even understand slipping up but if you come at people hostile or baiting anger or upset it's not really a surprise when you get a response of them being upset.

    Lastly I don't really want to assume much about you either way I also have no context on what you said that would get people to call you what they did, from my view I really find it hard that a lot of people are truly "neutral" but that's also based on my bias and past experiences with people.


    Good for you I'm a lesbian and don't like looking at men wearing tights but if women should be able to wear them what's wrong with men wearing them, again it seems like rules for me not for thee, your sexuality doesn't change your opinion, making no sense.
    trans I don't mind at all I am pansexual I just think it show a overall bad light to the community because I see this as man laughing of woman and I aren't even woman irl
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails View Post
    trans I don't mind at all I am pansexual I just think it show a overall bad light to the community because I see this as man laughing of woman and I aren't even woman irl
    I don't think there's any need to get offended on behalf of women. Personally, what a male character wears in a video game isn't disrespectful to me, or laughing at me. It's just clothes.

    If you're worried about women's dignity; designing sexy clothes for women, and Only women, degrades them and objectifies them for men. But if the same glams are available to everyone, then it's fair game, because nobody is patronizing to you what you "should" wear because of your gender. Does that make sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evermomo View Post
    I don't think there's any need to get offended on behalf of women. Personally, what a male character wears in a video game isn't disrespectful to me, or laughing at me. It's just clothes.

    If you're worried about women's dignity; designing sexy clothes for women, and Only women, degrades them and objectifies them for men. But if the same glams are available to everyone, then it's fair game, because nobody is patronizing to you what you "should" wear because of your gender. Does that make sense?
    it does yes but I still think it shouldn't be a thing still like yes having better cloth for woman would be good but also most people also sexual voluntary. that's why what they could do is like piece of gear with 2 or 3 option like variant option when you get it that's what I think should happen and same for emote like don't like that one use change pose to have a other option but for clothing. like masculine neutral and masculine feminine version. don't know if you get what I mean here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nero-Voidstails View Post
    it does yes but I still think it shouldn't be a thing still like yes having better cloth for woman would be good but also most people also sexual voluntary. that's why what they could do is like piece of gear with 2 or 3 option like variant option when you get it that's what I think should happen and same for emote like don't like that one use change pose to have a other option but for clothing. like masculine neutral and masculine feminine version. don't know if you get what I mean here
    It's hard to tell because of how you're constructing your sentences, but wouldn't that be just as good as providing glams to everyone?

    In the case of this content, there are three FF5 glams you can buy with the new currency. One is Bartz' gear for silver pieces, and the other two are Lenna's and Faris' gear for gold pieces. Bartz's gear is more unisex, Faris' is more masculine (because she disguises herself as a man while captaining her ship, spoilers for ff5) and Lenna is more feminine. This provides a variety of masculine, feminine, and neutral styles for everybody-- except they censored/changed Lenna's gear, but only for men. My argument is they should do exactly what they did-- have a feminine, masculine, and neutral option in content rewards-- but let everybody access it, and not censor certain parts of the outfits for certain people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rithy255 View Post
    Well If you can't see the blatantly obvious homophobia in some of the posts I think you just might be part of the problem, though I'm sure you have a ideal where you don't want to see people different from the norm in general if I'd have to take a guess.

    What Ideal do people have exactly? men wearing 2b leggings are already in the game, it's not like SE are blatantly against men wearing more feminine outfits. As tired as you are, people can already dress up feminine as a man, so the idea of restricting some glams still makes no sense in the first place.

    Frankly I'd understand if people were annoyed at seeing skimpy outfits in general (I don't particularly like a lot of feminine versions for that reason) but being against people wearing outfits based on in game gender is discrimination no real other way of putting it.
    I am quite literally gay and I dont want male characters to be wearing tights.

    Thank you very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SophiaDL View Post
    I am quite literally gay and I dont want male characters to be wearing tights.

    Thank you very much.
    So people should be able to be with who they want, but not dress how they want? You're entitled to your opinion, but it could at least make sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evermomo View Post
    So people should be able to be with who they want, but not dress how they want? You're entitled to your opinion, but it could at least make sense.
    This is a video game, have all the fun cross-dressing IRL all you want, doesn't bother me in the slightest. In the game there's male and female and that's pretty much it, it simply doesnt need to be in the game.
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