Please Stop Genderlocking Gear

[maidgil]

Good luck with that, this complaint is literally an american/EU thing only, no one on JP cares about this if you look at their forums. (and rightfully so).

Coming back to this thread to see it's exploded. Glad to see so many people agree!!!

Also, to the "only americans/eu" have this complaint I will say that's just not true. While everyone's entitled to having opinions, the fact of the matter is that this opinion is not regional. I'm not usually on the forums (for multiple reasons) but on different social media sites lots of people in different regions have complained about this recent piece. I saw a huge thread on X the other day in KR where multiple people were complaining about this. A JP fanartist I follow also complained about it. To think that this is something only western audiences want just isn't correct. Plus: the forums shouldn't be your end all/be all. The majority of players aren't forum members. I only joined for help with a bug, initially, for example.

I like how a lot of people brought up the opposite issues. While I focus on my bunny boy a lot when it comes to gender variance in clothes, I do also have a femra I really like to dress in edgy/masc clothes and it creates the same issue... Nier raids are my biggest source of pain with this cause both versions are amazing so I want the option of both.

However, I realize they have a lot of stuff on their plate, and it's hard to get it all done as soon as possible. This is why I think for simplicity's sake it makes more sense to stop gender variance for now if they can't make them switchable right off the bat. Which is also understandable in a way. Allowing the switch between gender variants would take a lot of overhaul, and a lot of time. Especially with how stretched thin I'm sure their team is. Still worthwhile but... My only small hope is if they are going to move forward with masc/fem options for all that they might already have some of this new stuff adapted but are just leaving it until they can have the system fully implemented? Since this is a lot different than genderlocked gear in terms of code and everything.

[Iscah]

And I said that this more elegant and filigree glamour designs (that CBU seems to like to design more often) just don't look that good on all the more bulky and tall male character models.
And I guess THAT's why they often genderlock stuff.

That's just twisting the situation to make an unrelated and subjective complaint. We get plenty of fancy outfits for male characters, regardless of whether it suits your personal taste or not. You disliking it doesn't make it objectively bad.

[Batbrat]

I hope they'll stop doing this too. Seems silly.

Making everything unisex does not limit anyone.
You can still wear your genders normal version. It's just that others who prefer the other version can also wear that too.

I think if you have a problem with this, you are extremely emotional.
Unisex is a very simple great solution that easily gives many players more glam options.

[Lukha]

Adding my voice to this even though after all these years I know the devs aren't listening.

Please stop making gear look different on male and female characters, especially in a case like this where the gear already has a super feminine design and all the other pieces look the same regardless of gender, all it results in is an inferior and generic looking piece when it deviates so drastically from the original design.


If you really feel the need to offer a separate 'male' option, that's fine, options are good! But either make it two separate pieces the player can choose between (Like some of the recent shop gear!), or give us '/visor'-like toggles like for every gear slot! It's really disappointing to see a new set of gear with an interesting design and then it changes into generic trash as soon as I try it on, and as much as the devs have been doing great about unlocking OLDER gender-locked items recently, there's still at least one item like this EVERY SINGLE PATCH.

[EdenElsewhere]

Adding my voice to this even though after all these years I know the devs aren't listening.

Please stop making gear look different on male and female characters, especially in a case like this where the gear already has a super feminine design and all the other pieces look the same regardless of gender, all it results in is an inferior and generic looking piece when it deviates so drastically from the original design.


If you really feel the need to offer a separate 'male' option, that's fine, options are good! But either make it two separate pieces the player can choose between (Like some of the recent shop gear!), or give us '/visor'-like toggles like for every gear slot! It's really disappointing to see a new set of gear with an interesting design and then it changes into generic trash as soon as I try it on, and as much as the devs have been doing great about unlocking OLDER gender-locked items recently, there's still at least one item like this EVERY SINGLE PATCH.

This. This especially. Men who want the more masculine look are not buying the tycoon pieces. Hell, they're unlikely to buy the Liz pieces and Bartz was a dude!

Yoshitaka Amano's style lends itself to pretty boys and pretty girls. His style is very androgynous. I mean we can all look at Dawntrail's cover art by him and agree that Meteor is not immediately identifiable as a man.

There was no reason to have given us these ugly pants for men when there is just... no reason for them to have done so?

[Basteala]

Yoshitaka Amano's style lends itself to pretty boys and pretty girls. His style is very androgynous. I mean we can all look at Dawntrail's cover art by him and agree that Meteor is not immediately identifiable as a man.

With the 5 O'Clock Shadow?

[VeyaAkemi]

With the 5 O'Clock Shadow?

I am sorry where are you seeing facial hair on Yoshitaka Amano's DT art?

[SophiaDL]

This. This especially. Men who want the more masculine look are not buying the tycoon pieces. Hell, they're unlikely to buy the Liz pieces and Bartz was a dude!

Yoshitaka Amano's style lends itself to pretty boys and pretty girls. His style is very androgynous. I mean we can all look at Dawntrail's cover art by him and agree that Meteor is not immediately identifiable as a man.

There was no reason to have given us these ugly pants for men when there is just... no reason for them to have done so?

He actually does look like a man to me, but I guess you see what you want to see, in my case I can pretty much see him as a man, while you want to see androgynous so you see it that way, but he's clearly a man in that picture.

[EdenElsewhere]

Ignoring people who are just being flippant and trolly for the sake of it at this point, I'm actually wondering why they did this as it actually means more work for them. I mean yes, they can just add pants that they already have modelled to the men, but even still, lalafells share the exact same body type, so let's presume that they actually modelled new pants and didn't take some from an old blender project or revamp some arr leggings. That's twice the work for a race that shares that same exact legs.

Idk I just can't help to think it's so incredibly silly at this point to have done this. We already have stockings. Is some with actual garters gonna kill people? (No, the answer is no)

[programcanaan]

I'm going to be honest they really opened a can of worms when they started "unlocking" (re-developing) gear for the opposite gender. The extent of the unlock all gear movement really favors male characters as there are some looks that are and will always be forbidden for the females, such as gear with an open chest area, shirtless, etc. Even when nudity isn't an issue they always tend to make the female chestpieces less revealing which also sounds like a double-standard. There is also a cost for implementing crossgender gear which is going to affect quality and efficiency of other new content and must be considered carefully. Quality is greater than quantity.

Gearfitting and design has taken a drop since Shadowbringers. In Endwalker and Dawntrail they went crazy adding crossgender outfits and the quality of work across the board is... debatable. I much rather would have them adding better and more unique sets if they can't handle doing it all.

The Male Tycoon Tights are very lame and uncreative though.