Please Stop Genderlocking Gear

[EdenElsewhere]

First of all: it would look royally stupid on a male character. I mean it already looks dumb on a female one.
Second: the question we really need to ask is: why does it, yet again, turn into sth. a prostitute would wear on females in order to provide fanservice for horny teenagers?

Because uh... Lenna be a little bit of a hoe.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/b/b9/FFV-amano_leena.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140429195227
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/f/f8/Amano_FFV_Lenna.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20120716040218
https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/d/d5/Amano_Lenna.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100709174718

Let's not try to be like "Oh why did they do this design, it's demeaning." It's literally cosplay, it is what Lenna wears in the Amano art, let's not be stupid. Please.

[Batbrat]

First of all: it would look royally stupid on a male character. I mean it already looks dumb on a female one.
Second: the question we really need to ask is: why does it, yet again, turn into sth. a prostitute would wear on females in order to provide fanservice for horny teenagers?

Both your first and second points were just your feelings. Neither were facts, which makes them invalid arguments and not of much use to read.

The argument being presented here is: Removing the gender-lock from gear would offer many more glam options to many players.
A fact is: Unisex glams can be useful to players.

A fact is not: I dont like this, so dont do this. I think this looks distasteful. I dont think that should be in the game anyway. I think you all already have something just like that and dont need it. I like gender locking and think it should stay.

That last one trips up a lot of people. Its ok to like it, but that isnt a presentable argument against what's being proposed here. It's just not arguing anything at all-its informing people what you like. Telling us what you do or dont like isnt arguing why they shouldnt do it.
So far I havent seen any valid arguments against this. Again, it's all just been feelings.

[SophiaDL]

First of all: it would look royally stupid on a male character. I mean it already looks dumb on a female one.
Second: the question we really need to ask is: why does it, yet again, turn into sth. a prostitute would wear on females in order to provide fanservice for horny teenagers?

This tbh, but this thread has quite a few aggressive people really that will yell you down the second you dare say something that goes agaisnt what they say, the amount of people in this thread that got called homophobic or bigots for not wanting this is actually crazy, I would just give as advice to ignore them as honestly there's no discussion to be had with them

I'm going to be honest they really opened a can of worms when they started "unlocking" (re-developing) gear for the opposite gender. The extent of the unlock all gear movement really favors male characters as there are some looks that are and will always be forbidden for the females, such as gear with an open chest area, shirtless, etc. Even when nudity isn't an issue they always tend to make the female chestpieces less revealing which also sounds like a double-standard. There is also a cost for implementing crossgender gear which is going to affect quality and efficiency of other new content and must be considered carefully. Quality is greater than quantity.

Gearfitting and design has taken a drop since Shadowbringers. In Endwalker and Dawntrail they went crazy adding crossgender outfits and the quality of work across the board is... debatable. I much rather would have them adding better and more unique sets if they can't handle doing it all.

The Male Tycoon Tights are very lame and uncreative though.

Same as above really, more than valid opinion, I am of the exact same opinion, those tights on male would look absolutely silly and I am more than glad it's not been a thing for males, hopefully it stays like this in the future.

[Granyala]

Both your first and second points were just your feelings. Neither were facts, which makes them invalid arguments and not of much use to read.

Well DUH... Sherlock.
We are talking about clothing here, naturally it is all subjective opinion.

From a technical perspective, there is nothing holding them back. Given that they already designed 2 distinct items, DEV effort is not the reason why they did this, as it would be the same. What does that leave us?

The DEVs did not think it would fit the males according to their design vision. Design vision is part of any game, just like technical aspects. After all, others WILL have to see your glam, whether they like it or not, so your choices also affect others play. DEVs have to consider that aspect too, you know?

Now, you can argue them being inconsistent in said vision.
I would completely agree, once you start unlocking such gear you should do away with the locks completely. Pending manpower, as these items are typically not auto-scalable from female->male and vice versa, thus need to be re-designed by hand. Even the textures may not work due to different stretching / vertex structure. That is quite some effort.
IMHO the consistency ship sailed when they made the "casino-bunny-slu- *cough* lady" outfit available for men) but ultimately it's their game and their prerogative to implement things according to their tastes.

As players we are in a take it or leave it situation. There is no OBJECTIVE argument against their design vision. We can agree with it. We can disagree but we cannot OBJECTIVELY argue against it.

Some people want the glam on males, that is not objective that is their TASTE. This is a legitimate wish, naturally, but lets not pretend you have some moral high ground over me by arguing "facts". You do not.

This tbh, but this thread has quite a few aggressive people really that will yell you down the second you dare say something that goes agaisnt what they say, the amount of people in this thread that got called homophobic or bigots for not wanting this is actually crazy, I would just give as advice to ignore them as honestly there's no discussion to be had with them

I'll admit it: I was bored and thought I poke the hornets nest a bit with an unpopular opinion. Don't worry, I can take the flak. :'D

[Batbrat]

The DEVs did not think it would fit the males according to their design vision. Design vision is part of any game, just like technical aspects. After all, others WILL have to see your glam, whether they like it or not, so your choices also affect others play. DEVs have to consider that aspect too, you know? etc -

You didnt make any arguments. You just talked about a few assumptions and your feelings.

All of this is literally your opinion, just like the people that have the opposite opinion etc -

That person did have some assumptions in there too, but the one that is correct is number 4, and that's really all there needs to be.
As stated, the strongest argument is "Removing the gender-lock from gear would offer many more glam options to players.". It's objectively true.

So far still, every argument against this has still been entirely feelings and/or assumptions, and had nothing to do with the topic.
If you can not prove that removing the gender-lock would not offer new glam options, then you really have nothing to say other than how you feel. That's not to say that you can't say it. But more to just point out, that no actual arguments are being made. You are just making the video game thread your vent diary about your feelings today.

[Granyala]

If you can not prove that removing the gender-lock would not offer new glam options

It doesn't need to be proven, lol.
The DEVs OBVIOUSLY do not want it right now. They may change their minds, if enough people (especially in the JP area) request it but that remains to be seen.

Allowing to dye every piece of gear would increase glamor options too and yet developers to not wish to do it. The game can handle it just fine and it is hardly more effort than setting a flag in the colorset.

Heck, they even lock the option behind high end raids, putting the dyable version out of reach for many people.

So yeah "moar glam options" is clearly not a sufficient argument for the DEVs to deviate from their design vision.
Got anything else?

But it still stands that "removing the gender-lock from gear would offer more glam options to players" is true

Edit due to stupid "no more posts today" bullshit:
From a purely technical PoV you actually REDUCE glamor options overall, as you remove one unique item from the pool to replace it with the same variant from the other sex. Instead of males looking different from the females by default, they now look the same.

If you want to globally increase glamor options, you'd need to retain both versions for both sexes.

[MonsutaMan]

Gender locking gear is high-key fine with me, due to male and female figures....and clothes needing to fit said figures, but class/job locking has got to go.........

[velkettin]

First of all: it would look royally stupid on a male character. I mean it already looks dumb on a female one.
Second: the question we really need to ask is: why does it, yet again, turn into sth. a prostitute would wear on females in order to provide fanservice for horny teenagers?

1. skill issue it'd look great on me if they'd let me use it
2. it's... a cosplay set for an already existing character from a previous game... take issue with the original design if you like, obviously, but we don't need to ask that because it's got an obvious answer. it's not as if they turned the pants on the other new sets into panties on women as well

Gender locking gear is high-key fine with me, due to male and female figures....and clothes needing to fit said figures, but class/job locking has got to go.........

saying that clothes should stay genderlocked ~because figures~ just betrays a lack of creativity. my melezen looks just fine in "women's" clothing and my femezen would benefit from access to a lot of the male locked designs.

not all clothing even looks good on the gender it's "intended for" 100% of the time. for example, the "cuter" outfits on taller women like elezen, roes, or even viera can look like you just put an adult woman in children's clothing, yet they're not restricted from wearing them. a person's ability to make an outfit look good on their character shouldn't dictate what options they have.

gender unlocking and role unlocking are both things that should happen, the two goals don't need to be pitted against each other.

[EdenElsewhere]

Gender locking gear is high-key fine with me, due to male and female figures....and clothes needing to fit said figures, but class/job locking has got to go.........

It's not like they didn't reshape all the genderunlocked glams. Everything is reshaped for the male bodies. This is a silly argument. It's just basically saying "I don't wanna see that."

Which is a feeling, not an argument, as clothing has no gender, and this is DIGITAL PIXEL CLOTHING which does have to be reshaped.

[PercibelTheren]

Gender locking gear is high-key fine with me, due to male and female figures....and clothes needing to fit said figures, but class/job locking has got to go.........

Making pants into thigh highs/shorts/a skirt is not an adjustment to fit the figure, though. It's to appeal to all the dudes who play catgirls and spend their days standing around in Limsa. And do NOT get me started on male caster/healer gear. They are 99% ugly potato sacks that look good on MAYBE Au Ra dudes because they have tiny waists.