So you acknowledge atma farm was awful but do it again 12 sec later?

[DynnDiablos]

It's a one-time grind that doesn't take that long. You don't have to play the game if you don't want to.

Believe me, after 12 years and thousands of dollars I am ready to delete my character and account permanently.

[Fawkes]

i dont see the problem tbh, yeah its a grind, but the game needs more of those

The problem is it's not a grind, it's RNG. You could get them all in a day or it could take a week. Getting the Cosmic Exploration 500k mount is a grind, there's no way to get lucky and finish it in a day.

[Valence]

It's been multiple days now. Still feels like shit. I hope I'm done with it soon enough so I can move to tomes and play what I like for my relics.

I actually think the majority of the discussion in recent years has been that the relics were too easy to get in Endwalker and that the grind was important, made them feel earned and prestigious, and gave people something to do as opposed to "playing other games".

I do agree that fixed grinds are better in general, because you can plan it and know exactly how long it will take. But if it's just FATEs, it's whatever. They're FATEs. You don't have to think while doing those, and can focus on the social interaction in party chat instead.

There has been not a single party chat interaction so far on my end. Zero. Even shout chat is dead beyond the lfg shouts.
Guess why? There is nothing to work out together. The party is just a requirement to ensure you get gold rating or healed in CEs.
Some people will say "it's up to you to just banter", well I tried. People don't respond much if at all and I can understand why. And to be perfectly fair, I'd rather actually play the game for the game itself, and not to have a glorified chat session for which discord with friends provides generally a lot more for.
Another reason why: there is no time to waste! Fates shotgun spawn one after another, you have to port and run and port and run all the time, can't write in the chat a lot, too busy.

[Qyoon]

The problem is it's not a grind, it's RNG. You could get them all in a day or it could take a week. Getting the Cosmic Exploration 500k mount is a grind, there's no way to get lucky and finish it in a day.

I second that , RNG is low effort and lame...
I finished my weapon yesterday, some people that have played as much if not more than me are still halfway.

[MicahZerrshia]

I wouldn't mind the grind if they could just be more inventive than just defaulting to "FATE farm #327"

[Andevom]

Rng farm is awful because most of the time, you only feel like you lost your time, while a grind where you see yourself progress slowly but surely is far more enjoyable.

As annoying as the Atma farm can be, I prefer it *much* more than farming for Nexus lights. Instead of doing FATEs, which give you other benefits aside from just the atma, you did old content that barely gave you anything over and over again.

Do people *really* think that's better than an RNG farm where you at least have a chance at quickly making a lot of progress?

[Fawkes]

As annoying as the Atma farm can be, I prefer it *much* more than farming for Nexus lights. Instead of doing FATEs, which give you other benefits aside from just the atma, you did old content that barely gave you anything over and over again.

Do people *really* think that's better than an RNG farm where you at least have a chance at quickly making a lot of progress?

Yes, absolutely.

People hated lights because somebody on reddit told them that A2S or ARF or whatever was the best light per hour, so they just spammed that over and over and drove themselves mad. I did mine just running whatever and it was fine.

[Qyoon]

Do people *really* think that's better than an RNG farm where you at least have a chance at quickly making a lot of progress?

The people that are still farming it while i am done, not because i have done anything more / better than them do yeah.
Just got carried by putting an unreasonnable on hours on it in 2 days and got carried by luck.
You are not working on something, not doing a tast, just rely on RNG god to give you a present.

[Tahmamo]

As annoying as the Atma farm can be, I prefer it *much* more than farming for Nexus lights. Instead of doing FATEs, which give you other benefits aside from just the atma, you did old content that barely gave you anything over and over again.

Do people *really* think that's better than an RNG farm where you at least have a chance at quickly making a lot of progress?

Yes, a lot of people really do think the Nexus step is great and well designed. You mention you like the Atma because you can be lucky and "make a lot of progress" in one go. Consider the flip side of that: most of that time, you're making ZERO progress, and this is a really terrible feeling. We much prefer making 0.01% progress with everything we do so long as we know progress is being made. Plus, if you're feeling like you're burning out, you can take a break anytime and know you've made progress, which isn't guaranteed under the Atma system. I am of the personal belief that the Nexus is the best designed relic phase: it lets you passively progress doing your normal thing, but still promotes you to do thing you normally wouldn't do otherwise but making specific things more efficient given the time investment; plus the bonus windows can suddenly make something no one would otherwise do the most efficient way to farm light for 2 hours.

Then there's the Anima version which makes it even better by just always giving you the chance to get the bonus light each clear (albeit at a very low rate) outside of the bonus light windows.

[CNitsah]

As annoying as the Atma farm can be, I prefer it *much* more than farming for Nexus lights. Instead of doing FATEs, which give you other benefits aside from just the atma, you did old content that barely gave you anything over and over again.

Do people *really* think that's better than an RNG farm where you at least have a chance at quickly making a lot of progress?

Yeah, but from what heard, they went way to far with nexus light when it released (nowadays it's a walk in the park). To me, the current state of Eureka relics is mostly in line with what I consider a good farm. Farm are long, but not that long : Amenos steps can be farmed in under 3 hours, both pagos and pyros are 6 to 8 hours, while hydatos is longer and would benefit from a small reduction of time.

And last but not least, if you only have 1 hour, you'll feel like you progressed toward your objective. Spending 5 hours of time and realising you made zero progress is just sad. In the end people will just go "why bother". As I said earlier, I'm someone who like farming. I did all the HW, SB and ShB relics (ARR is where I draw the line, I did 2, and kept wondering why I did a second while doing it). So if even someone like me finds the farm frustrating, I feel there is something wrong with the way it's designed.

(I also have strong doubts about the fact this can have the shelf life Eureka and bozja had : I fear once this patch is gone, that the people have upped their phantoms jobs, the one time step in there won't be enough to keep the players running that content. Eureka still lives because of the relics, bozja because it's a nice place to xp jobs between 71 and 82/83. Occult crescent has none of those. I enjoy myself for now, but I fear this is not the retention content the game needs. But that's another problem we'll discuss in a few months.)