Occult Crescent is great but the relic grind is the worst of both worlds.

[Kozh]

If it's just one time grind, why are people so bothered of not getting it done in a couple of days? We still have months until 7.3, plenty if time to farm it. I won't even mind if it took me a month to get all the atmas as we also have phantom jobs to level up.

[CNitsah]

If it's just one time grind, why are people so bothered of not getting it done in a couple of days? We still have months until 7.3, plenty if time to farm it. I won't even mind if it took me a month to get all the atmas as we also have phantom jobs to level up.

If there was ONE thing everyone agreed on, people that like grinding and those who don't, it's that we didn't want another ARR relic grind. The atmas left a such collective PTSD even players that weren't there at the time Atma grind was awful (today's atma grind is fine) still get the joke.

Fast forward a few years later, a lot of people are not happy with the direction the game is taking, and Occult crescent is the content they wait, hoping it will capture a fraction of the love they had for the game. And the first thing the present to you is doing the ONE THING everyone wished to avoid. It sends a really bad message. Of course people will strongly react. It's a PR nightmare, they tried to make a connection with the community by using a joke we all understand, without understanding why it became a joke, an did the exact same error they did 10 years ago.

Maybe this is blown a little out of proportion, but honestly what were they thinking? More than the fact they reused atmas, it's another proof they're out of touch with their community.When they joked about the atmas, I thought they called them like that to make a joke, and then it would be some kind of ShB relic grind. We would all have been "You got us there, we feared the worst". That would have created some kind of connivence between the players and the game. But in this reality, we actually got the worst.

[Eastwall]

No, l like the compromise Where only first one is grindy.

[Kozh]

If there was ONE thing everyone agreed on, people that like grinding and those who don't, it's that we didn't want another ARR relic grind. The atmas left a such collective PTSD even players that weren't there at the time Atma grind was awful (today's atma grind is fine) still get the joke.

Idk, so far the drop rates feel like bozja or HW FATEs farm. Plus, again, if it's only the first step that is grindy, making the rate drop higher meanns people will be done with the content soon.
We desperately need more things to do in this game, not less.

[Zakon]

When the content of an initial purchase + monthly payment + micro transaction game is competing with dollar games from Steam then you know it’s time to replace people.

I wasn't sure what you were saying with this until I realized you were talking about the Steam player charts. I'm not 100% sure that's what you mean, but if it is, I don't really think that's a good way to judge how well this game is doing. A good amount of PC players for this game don't even play on Steam, for example me And of course it can't track players on console at all.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

This seems like an alright middle ground to me as someone who doesn't want to live in the place forever. Maybe they would have been better reducing the atma requirement a lot for subequent weapons instead but so far I am enjoying the content and the RNG is not a bother. There are plenty phantom jobs to level and I can level other jobs with fates outside for tickets towards the sugar glider + atma. Win win.

[Qyoon]

what do you mean? They gave us a boring tome relic where you just passively got the relic while doing what you do everyday anyway. People complained there was no grind, so now they give us a grind.

Seems like they listened imo.

RNG ain't grinding. grinding is when you have a long task to work on. RNG is just doing things and hope.
Some people will do it in a week , for others it might take month, your effort comes with no guarantee of reward.

[AvalonBright]

It truly is awful. They can't be arsed to make any actual engaging Relic quest design anymore so instead we get this, and they think they're being cute and coy making WoL go into immediate PTSD. It's not cute, Yoshi. It's not funny, it's obnoxious and I get gacha games that respect my time more than this does. In 8 hours of OC so far I have gotten 6 atmas, which is honestly still probably better than some--but of course, there's the eventual concern of the fact they don't cap once you've got 3, so good luck getting the colors needed, and the fact FATEs are basically pointless to do and drop even LESS frequently somehow than CEs.

My SO was doing DT zone FATEs before I woke up too and she said it felt even worse (especially for her, who already capped FATE progress everywhere lol)

[Derio]

The grind NEEDS a pity system. Its 2025. Not being able to see progression is heartbreaking. The casual player if they arent having fun will just quit if they cant see progression.

[RenegadeInferno]

It's day two.
It's a one time RNG grind.
It's not supposed to be cleared with a snap of your fingers.

Afterwards you can get back to your little tomestone "grind" that you know and love.
I for one am happy to see a form of a grind return.

Truth be told, you don't know what you want. Some of you have never played an old school MMO and it shows.

Christ... some people....