Occult Crescent is great but the relic grind is the worst of both worlds.

[Jangles]

The way they did this relic grind is terribly unfun, I'd rather have the game tell me to do 1000 fates than give me more atma bullshit with terrible rng droprates. Don't get me wrong I WANT the long grind it just feels bad when it's not a visible progress and you need just a few items with terrible droprates.

Also it's just a one time grind and if you do it once you are back to the nonsense of endwalker relics. I'd rather have a somewhat lengthy I have to do multiple times so I can feel good about getting every relic I want rather than doing 1 unfun grind once and dumping tomes onto the other ones.

It's like they took the complaints from both sides of the argument wanting longer and shorter grind and decided to go for an option that'd make people the least happy.

As a last note though, I really do like everything else about the update, just this weird decision for the relics makes me question what they were even thinking.

[Rinoa_353]

I'm ok with long grinds but playing for over six hours and not have a single drop is truly horrendous. Aside from this major issue for Relic weapons grinding, I'm having lots of fun with my friends in OC :3

[Nero-Voidstails]

the relic weapon grind is killing me and honestly showing me they don't listen to well

[Cinno]

the relic weapon grind is killing me and honestly showing me they don't listen to well

what do you mean? They gave us a boring tome relic where you just passively got the relic while doing what you do everyday anyway. People complained there was no grind, so now they give us a grind.

Seems like they listened imo.

[Kandraxx]

When the content of an initial purchase + monthly payment + micro transaction game is competing with dollar games from Steam then you know it’s time to replace people.

[Misutoraru]

what do you mean? They gave us a boring tome relic where you just passively got the relic while doing what you do everyday anyway. People complained there was no grind, so now they give us a grind.

Seems like they listened imo.

Why does SE always seem to swing from 1 extreme to another extreme. XD

Too much grind? Have it at EW. Not enough grind? Have it back to ARR/HW.

I remember the resistance weapon in ShB is fine not as bad as ARR/HW, and not a hand out like EW

[Stasya]

what do you mean? They gave us a boring tome relic where you just passively got the relic while doing what you do everyday anyway. People complained there was no grind, so now they give us a grind.

Seems like they listened imo.

How much square enix pays per character?

[Valence]

what do you mean? They gave us a boring tome relic where you just passively got the relic while doing what you do everyday anyway. People complained there was no grind, so now they give us a grind.

Seems like they listened imo.

I wouldn't mind a grind that's actually engaging.
Farming fates is the epitome of pulling a Quintus.

[DynnDiablos]

The problem is you could legit an entire day fate farming and get 0 of the atma you need. It feels like it doesn't respect your time and you feel like you aren't making any progress at all (which you aren't,lol).

[CNitsah]

As I said in another thread, players are nearly unanimous about how the ARR relics grind were awful, to the point the atmas became a joke.

They acknowledged the how awful it was with the cutscene.

Yet they still decided to go with that,...

The conspiracy theorist in me feels like this a play so they can tell us "you see, you don't really want a grind" then go back to the less costy EW way next expansion.

Why does SE always seem to swing from 1 extreme to another extreme. XD

Too much grind? Have it at EW. Not enough grind? Have it back to ARR/HW.

I remember the resistance weapon in ShB is fine not as bad as ARR/HW, and not a hand out like EW

It's like that with everything, they see the whole player base as bipole, with nothing in the middle. That's why chaotic was what it was. How long have we asked for a difficulty between normal and extreme (or something close to extreme but that can be cleared without a static).