Occult Relic grind needs to change.

[VeyaAkemi]

So after a few days of farming it, my take is that the drop rate is completely fine, but I am finding issue with how the CEs are sorted, let me explain, and for that look at this map:



The way Demiatmas work is that they drop per zone, the Shark Attack Critical Engagement can only ever drop a Realgar Demiatma, and because of the way CEs are sorted, this makes Verdigris remarkably rarer than all other options, because not only it is covered by a single CE, the one CE that drops it is the rarest of them all, and actively requires players to spawn the thing by killing Inkstains, which a lot of players may not even realize they need to do.

Perhaps the best way to solve this would've been to add an additional CE to the map, perhaps at the top of the spire to the left of the Calamity Bound, but as it is, Verdigris will be a lot of player's bottleneck.

[Kuroka]

This is honestly one of my biggest problems with the current expansion schedule... By the time it actually releases I am beyond caring for it, and have absolutely no motivation to get on it whatsoever.

I hate how the Beast tribe is released together, as now my mind is set on the Relic grind and i already forgot doing the tribe one day >_>

[ForteNightshade]

SO.MUCH.THIS.

it doesn't matter what Squeenix does, there will always be people complaining that the relic is not the one exact grind they had in their heads so the devs should go ahead with whatever they feel like, they can never win anyway

This is always and will always be such a silly argument. The playerbase is not one collective hivemind. People who liked the previous relic step aren't going to post on the forums praising how much they like it, but many certainly will complain if they don't like the current change because, well... they liked the previous system. Likewise, people frustrated with EW's tome relics are much quieter now because they prefer having a grind.

What's especially funny is how that response you quoted blatantly ignores the discussion in this thread where almost every player criticism the atma step isn't doing so because they hate grinding, but rather dislike the RNG aspect of it. In other words, they didn't bother reading and just tried to make a meme.

[CCheshire]

I spent a bit over 4 hrs since Day 1, and I just got 2x atmas from running CE as Fates often died before I could reach them. I did manage to collect 3k silver pieces just for the riding map alone, but boy is this RNG harsh on me.

[SoleilAlphi]

This is always and will always be such a silly argument. The playerbase is not one collective hivemind. People who liked the previous relic step aren't going to post on the forums praising how much they like it, but many certainly will complain if they don't like the current change because, well... they liked the previous system. Likewise, people frustrated with EW's tome relics are much quieter now because they prefer having a grind.

What's especially funny is how that response you quoted blatantly ignores the discussion in this thread where almost every player criticism the atma step isn't doing so because they hate grinding, but rather dislike the RNG aspect of it. In other words, they didn't bother reading and just tried to make a meme.

my response is perfectly fine, you can have all the discussion you want, the relic will never be fine, how much you bet if it was light farming people would complain about it too. Maybe give criticism in good faith instead of stomping feet and crying like babies. You have 2 months to complete the relic, you don't have to do it in 1 day and you can pace yourself with how many fates you do at a time, and it is just a 1 time grind since all others can be bought with tomes after. seems a good compromise to me.

[Lollerblades]

Honestly, with atma being nearly unanimously considered as bad, and them acknoledging it in the cutscene, it baffles me that's what they went for...

Oh for sure, but at least it's a one time step at the start, lessons the blow ever so slightly.

[Nighthawky2010]

I am not salty, but i have to laugh at how first no grind sucks, then the grind sucks, give it a week and folks will want the tomes back

Most players, like myself, don't mind the grind, but GRINDING for me should produce results. Even though this is the first step of the relic, the grind should produce & not frustrate players. Players should not have to be in a zone for 6 hours to end up getting 0 to 1 with the horrible RNG. That's stupid to me & I have been playing video games for over 43 yrs; so I know what I like when it comes to grinding. This first step shouldn't frustrate players. FFXIV is my first MMO & played it since ARR. The only relics I obtained were from EW. I agree, tomestone grinding was boring & different steps should have been added like obtaining crystals or atmas from 24 man raids, certain dungeons, instances, etc. But when it came to relic weapons, EW relics were the only ones I obtained.

[Nighthawky2010]

"Relics grinds are too hard! Make them easier!"

"Ok, now they're easier."

"Relic grinds are too easy! Make them harder!"

"Ok, now they're harder."

"Relics grinds are too hard! Make them easier!"

LOL.
I have posted in several threads, there should be productivity when it comes to grinding. Players, like myself, don't have an issue with grinding, but it has to be productive; it has to produce. Players who have been grinding the FATES in one zone for 6 hours to result in getting 0 to 1 atma should complain because it's ridiculous!! Especially since this is the 1st step for the relic, we have 3 more future patches to make grinding more involved & a little more time-consuming in the end, results for grinding have to be produced in a timely fashion. Just my opinion.

[Saraide]

"Relics grinds are too hard! Make them easier!"

"Ok, now they're easier."

"Relic grinds are too easy! Make them harder!"

"Ok, now they're harder."

"Relics grinds are too hard! Make them easier!"

One day we will realize that different people want different things from the relic and that the community isnt a hivemind. One day.

[Kaurhz]

One day we will realize that different people want different things from the relic and that the community isnt a hivemind. One day.

This is a very ambitious post.