Occult Relic grind needs to change.

[Kaurhz]

Honestly. If nothing this already confirms they are lacking vision and direction for the future. All they need to do is say something like: "Oh it was a big bad pulling the strings that made all these nations go to war and devour their neighbours. Not just greed / self preservation." Dawntrail softing and ruining lore from before, and we got a wonderful 5/10 finished product.

OC is very mid at best. Not offensively so, but its far from exciting. Doesnt help that they took SO LONG to release where a lot of the playerbase is mentally checked out already

This is honestly one of my biggest problems with the current expansion schedule... By the time it actually releases I am beyond caring for it, and have absolutely no motivation to get on it whatsoever.

[leistra]

3 days of 'grinding' with my friend, I only got 1 demiatma. My friend is super lucky and has already finished her relic. This is just like a gacha game without any guaranteed pull.

[ForteNightshade]

This is honestly one of my biggest problems with the current expansion schedule... By the time it actually releases I am beyond caring for it, and have absolutely no motivation to get on it whatsoever.

This is precisely where I'm at. While I already was ambivalent towards XIV before Dawntrail came out, Occult Crescent was one of the things I had been looking forward to. It taking nearly a year to finally release despite them constantly trying to hype it up pretty much killed any real motivation I had. I'm still doing it, but the engagement just isn't there. It's hard to stay excited or even interested in content that's a year away. Especially when there was so little else to sink my teeth into outside of high end raids.

[xbahax92]

Whats your take on the books from ARR Zodiac relics? They were pretty tedious to do, but it felt rewarding when finishing each book. They had multiple missions and were not tied to one specific content.
Would you like to see a return of this type of quest?

[Allyissa]

Exactly, but people would rather push their hyperbole than understand what the real issue is. I did Fate and CE grinding for 9 hours yesterday and did not receive a single Demiatma. Not one.

I was in OC yesterday for about 2 hours. I would say I was severely under levelled compared to most others in the groups for CEs. I only got one demiatma (yellow) for all the fates and CEs I did. I was hoping for a bit better drop rate in OC. I have not done a bunch or DT fates for reference. I have 21 relics to do. Yes I am a glutton for punishment but at least throw us a bone in terms of drops.

[Alice_Rivers]

Whats your take on the books from ARR Zodiac relics? They were pretty tedious to do, but it felt rewarding when finishing each book. They had multiple missions and were not tied to one specific content.
Would you like to see a return of this type of quest?

It's a cool concept but it was implemented really poorly. I like the idea of using a relic to develop it but I don't want the randomness.

[Daralii]

I was in OC yesterday for about 2 hours. I would say I was severely under levelled compared to most others in the groups for CEs. I only got one demiatma (yellow) for all the fates and CEs I did. I was hoping for a bit better drop rate in OC. I have not done a bunch or DT fates for reference. I have 21 relics to do. Yes I am a glutton for punishment but at least throw us a bone in terms of drops.

The atma step for every weapon after the first is just 1500 tomestones instead.

[ForteNightshade]

Whats your take on the books from ARR Zodiac relics? They were pretty tedious to do, but it felt rewarding when finishing each book. They had multiple missions and were not tied to one specific content.
Would you like to see a return of this type of quest?

I've been saying for years this is something that should be revisited, albeit done much better. While Wondrous Tales is a bit too easy, that version is closer to what could be an ideal "book" phase: randomly chosen objectives you need to do to progress your relic.

[Aidorouge]

Whats your take on the books from ARR Zodiac relics? They were pretty tedious to do, but it felt rewarding when finishing each book. They had multiple missions and were not tied to one specific content.
Would you like to see a return of this type of quest?

Oh hell no, the relic books were one of my least favorite steps, especially the FATEs part of it because it could take literally hours to get the one you needed, and then doing some of those FATEs solo on certain jobs (MNK, BRD, BLM, WHM, SCH) was agony. And you had to do these books NINE TIMES per weapon and you weren't even halfway done at this stage.

...I also can't help but note the irony that people whine about "grinding tomes" to progress EW relics, yet you needed to do exactly that to complete all the books on every job (and it wasn't the only step that needed tomes either). It gives the impression that people are in fact fine with grinding nothing but tomes as long as there's a "placebo" effect of making them think they're "doing something".

[SoleilAlphi]

"Relics grinds are too hard! Make them easier!"

"Ok, now they're easier."

"Relic grinds are too easy! Make them harder!"

"Ok, now they're harder."

"Relics grinds are too hard! Make them easier!"

SO.MUCH.THIS.

it doesn't matter what Squeenix does, there will always be people complaining that the relic is not the one exact grind they had in their heads so the devs should go ahead with whatever they feel like, they can never win anyway