Now that the game is dying can we just have bots for all content?

[VeyaAkemi]

My only concern about that is the devs would have to design the Extremes to be playable by trusts, and that's limiting.

Honestly, if you are familiar with botting mods for this game, you'd be certain the argument of "Trusts dumbing down the game" is bullshit, you can absolutely make a bot capable of identifying, solving, and executing any and all mechanics in games, this isn't even a FFXIV trait that "proves how bad the game is" unlike some seem to want to preach, TAS speedruns are a thing for this exact reason, maybe Trusts in the way that Square wants them, that is, visibly slower than the average player even at the best of times, but it objectively isn't a hard limitation when people have made bots capable of clearing Ultimates, and if you are making a bot to clear an EX and up, perhaps they outright shouldn't be objectively bad at the game.

The other points are valid, perhaps they could release Trusts not immediately, but like half a major patch later at X.X5, long after people have solved the mechanics, perhaps they wouldn't even have to wait that long, a week would be enough.

[CCheshire]

I'd be fine with it if they even just released the revised Trust version only at the end of an expansion/start of the new one.

The current thing I got stuck on was trying to do Stormblood EXs for the Triple Triad cards/first clears for Second Chance points, but some of them have mechanics that can't be soloed, or they require more damage than I'm capable of even when unsync. And finding people to do them unsync with is nigh-impossible when Dynamis doesn't have anyone around, and Aether/Primal/Crystal are full of veterans with zero incentive to go back and do content they may have done literally hundreds of times for their mount/gear back in the day.

Top that off with me logging in later in the day than most (9-10PM Pacific) and I find myself needing more solo options to make large swathes of the game playable (or doing them solo ends up painfully dull like Palace of the Dead and Eureka), and it's not even like the Triple Triad cards are going to let me break the game or anything, and I literally got every single Stormblood EX mount already JUST from mogtome events. Am I really stepping on anybody's toes over exclusivity at this point? They could even just keep the original EXs intact, the Trust version is just an alternate version with its own changed mechanics.

Hell, they should go back and do that with ALL the dungeons they revised for Duty Support/Trusts. Keep the originals that people preferred in the roulettes/queues/party finder, and put the NPC versions over in their own box, let everyone play it how they want instead of one side getting dragged along with the other. I just want an OPTION, but I don't want to take away somebody else's choice!

As I understand, Dynamis is much quieter in PF for raids and stuff. However, I've been in the process of unlocking mentor roulette, and I managed to get folks from PF to do all the Stb, Shb, and most of the EW part from Voidcast Dais Extreme on Aether's PF during the day and evening, my time.

For StB, even 1 person who joined my party, we were able to clear all of them in 2 sessions, so perhaps you can try on weekends if you have them off too.

[Astronis]

Honestly, if you are familiar with botting mods for this game

I'm not at all familiar with botting mods for this game. I am familiar with Trusts, which is, yes, slower than the average player and have programmed quirks that make mistakes. So...yes, it is a limitation on the game, because why in the bloody hell would SE make bots to play with people that were made anything like those kind of bots you're talking about?

[VeyaAkemi]

So...yes, it is a limitation on the game, because why in the bloody hell would SE make bots to play with people that were made anything like those kind of bots you're talking about?

Okay, look, the angle I am taking here is about deliberate choice, Trusts are deliberately made bad, they aren't an inherently broken mechanic that needs to have slow paced mechanics to keep up, no, bots can handle far more complex and faster mechanics than humans if the person making the bot wants them to, but no, they are deliberately made bad because they are there for an "if all else fails" alternative, and the devs still want players to default to playing with other people, just for solo play to be also possible.

They obviously don't want that to be the case for high end content of any kind, however, the discussion about the possibility of Trusts for high end content demands us to entertain the idea that this perspective could change, and the moment that perspective changes, so changes the goal of the bot being used, they no longer need to outright suck, in fact they need to be pretty good because of Enrages, so the quality of their play would naturally dramatically increase, since the goal around them would change.

Ultimately the point is that the perspective of "Trusts require slower mechanics" is hogwash, anyone who believes as much just doesn't understand how automation in games work, because computers can always be much faster than humans and will always handle deterministic tasks better, so the moment this is desired, the deliberate choices around the ways Trusts work would change.