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    Now that the game is dying can we just have bots for all content?

    Tl;dr hardest part in this game now is to find 7 other players who can all align their schedule to spend hours upon hours learning a script which naturally gives an unfair advantage to a certain social bracket I don't wanna call out here.

    The myth that there is any ounce of skill in raiding in this game has been dispelled countless times, it's all about being able to hang out in some weird discords all day to find the required people and then it's about having even more time so you can learn choreography after choreography, where there's nothing but 8 individuals mashing their own personal rotation and then selling it as 'MMO' or 'Multiplayer' and there's essentially zero reason why this can't be bot-supported single player content other than you (SE) wanting to keep up the artificial difficulty/gating and the illusion that this game is something that it's not.

    Seeing what the mechanics design is all about it really shouldn't be too hard to do the bot behavior/pathing at the same time you create the encounter, especially not for a monthly asking price of $12.99++ and added micros.
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    Last edited by Kandraxx; 05-19-2025 at 02:53 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AstreaLove View Post
    Perhaps you should inhale your next dose of copium?
    Someone identified with my post. No need for hard feelings bro. Life can get better for you.
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    Shes kinda right... I dont really want it but the last years i feel more and more resistance even doing ex trials and i never did savage, partially due how stupid the systems are and how hard it can be to align with others, plus im HORRIBLY unlucky with loot...

    The climate changed and im sure thats not true for everyone, but for some it is... yet we love the game and dont want to leave it...
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    Beleg Erkhten
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandraxx View Post
    Tl;dr hardest part in this game now is to find 7 other players who can all align their schedule to spend hours upon hours learning a script which naturally gives an unfair advantage to a certain social bracket I don't wanna call out here.

    The myth that there is any ounce of skill in raiding in this game has been dispelled countless times, it's all about being able to hang out in some weird discords all day to find the required people and then it's about having even more time so you can learn choreography after choreography, where there's nothing but 8 individuals mashing their own personal rotation and then selling it as 'MMO' or 'Multiplayer' and there's essentially zero reason why this can't be bot-supported single player content other than you (SE) wanting to keep up the artificial difficulty/gating and the illusion that this game is something that it's not.

    Seeing what the mechanics design is all about it really shouldn't be too hard to do the bot behavior/pathing at the same time you create the encounter, especially not for a monthly asking price of $12.99++ and added micros.
    sounds like a skill issue m8
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    There’s some reasoning from OP that’s hard to follow:
    - There’s no skill involved in raiding
    - Everyone just remembers what to do

    But somehow
    - Raids can only be completed in statics
    - Since your schedule doesn’t let you join statics then you want bots to clear with

    If there’s no skill needed then why can’t you PF and get it done with them? That’s what people with inconsistent work schedules are doing, and all the raids are getting cleared there. If raiding doesn’t require an ounce of skill, and you want to clear them then where’s the problem? How is PF going wrong?

    Or if you don’t like the raids then what do you want the bots for?
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    Can we start by replacing all forum posters with bots
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuturePastNow View Post
    Can we start by replacing all forum posters with bots
    Who's to say they haven't been?
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    People talk about "skill," but to quote my previous self:

    Quote Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu View Post
    The only reason why we have 10s or 100s of recordings of any given "set piano piece" is because each musician -- each artist, each performer -- brings their own understanding and interpretation to it. At one extreme of this reality, Beethoven Blues comes to mind.

    By contrast, a simple minded robot -- or 8 of them working in concert -- can get you through modern FFXIV encounters, and it's not at all clear to me whether "skill expression" means, or can mean, anything more than "am better able to impersonate said collection of robots."
    Like, yes, on the one hand, impersonating a simple minded robot is actually a skill that takes time and effort to acquire. On the other hand, is that really the pinnacle of "raiding"?
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