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    Sorainthy's Avatar
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    Ven Lantia
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daralii View Post
    EW in particular dedicated a lot of resources to "the single player experience" as Yoshida put it, which was cutting down most dungeons/trials and making them doable with trusts.
    Thanks. In this case I do know in which Expansion I ended XD
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    I don't know which genius decided it was good to focus on singleplayer gaming in an MMO, but here you go. Yoshi-P's / and the boards focus on farming gaming trends/popular game references/trying to capture as many "new players" as possible has ended up into a chimera of a game that can call no place home. It lacks identity and integrity in a lot of aspects, the story and worldbuilding were the last to get a bullet in the two most recent expansions.

    Now I read Square Enix is restructuring AGAIN, with a focus on "quality over quantity" and releasing and strenghtening IP's and whatever buzzwords they are farming again to make the investors happy. Wanna guess if that will make FFXIV better? Probably not, we remain the cashcow that they can cash off on to make other games.
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    Celestia Philotimo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kandraxx View Post
    Just look at how the relics and daily quests evolved, or rather devolved.

    ARR relic: basically a game in itself
    EW relic: yeah just bring me stuff for 6000 poetics you can buy from the NPC one aetheryte teleport away from here.
    Um, no. You're grossly mischaracterizing the EW relic quest. We had to play through the all prior Manderville and then the ones in EW, do several fights, and at the time, gather some specific NON-poetics to buy the materials for various upgrades. (Which like a lot of other things they've now switched to poetics as game advances.)

    Took a chunk of time and commitment, but I'll grant you it wasn't the utter crapfest of "put an entire game's worth of time and work into just getting ONE level of ONE weapon... and then here you go, several MORE levels to do the same for" that ARR and HW require.

    A family member wanted to group-do the ARR relics. I got as far as getting through the initial round of fates from all over, collecting the special stones that *sometimes* drop, turn in, get the relic---then I got to the books level. And found out just how much time and effort I'd have to pour into getting ONE book done, much less multiples... and that there were several more levels of weapon after that. Hard nope. Another family member (with enormous capacity to mindlessly grind things forever) DID go through all that, and more power to him... but not me.

    I hate the ARR (and HW, because he told me about progressing through those as well) relic quests: they're designed to "keep people busy, drain time and funds from players with an excess of both," and I'm not enamored of the weapon looks, either. I also hate PoD, which is another place you can eventually get "glowy" weapons.

    So, with the EW quests involving Manderville, to finally get a cool glowy weapon (and the version to stick in glam chest) plus it being one we could *allot* some of the point distribution for on the actual weapon, was awesome.

    The people complaining that "others got a cool glowy weapon without committing 2 years of their life and their firstborn child in order to get it," sound like my cronies complaining kids no longer have to walk uphill in the snow both ways, to get to school.

    Bottom line: ARR and HW (and others, I would presume) relic quests are STILL the PitA you love so much, and anyone wanting those has to go through it. EW's being simplified and more straight-forward didn't take away one iota from the ones you love... but they sure were a nice option for those of us who DON'T want to grind forever and fifty years through multiple weapon levels just to get something that is pretty, glows, and very likely has already been out-classed, power-wise, by more recent weapon releases in other areas.
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    "For the world is hollow, and I have touched the sky."

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    Bunbun Thurm
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nana_Bear View Post
    snip.
    The large reason why people disliked the EW relic is more that it didn't add anything to the game. Everyone already caps on weekly tomestones and so in return, would also have enough for a step of the relic.
    Essentially we played the exact same way as usual.
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    Blackmage Vivi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    The large reason why people disliked the EW relic is more that it didn't add anything to the game.
    this is how every relic weapon is though. it's always just slapped into content they already made or its slapped into old content to give it a small revitalization, it has never added anything to the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn View Post
    The large reason why people disliked the EW relic is more that it didn't add anything to the game. Everyone already caps on weekly tomestones and so in return, would also have enough for a step of the relic.
    Essentially we played the exact same way as usual.
    And when DT came out, I could walk into Old Sharlayan and buy the top level EW gear from a Rowena vendor for poetics rather than what we had to pay before.

    I fail to see the problem here. *shrug*

    Also as others said in reply to you, none of the relics actually "add" anything to the game, really; they're glams, basically. Oh, when they first come out they may be high-powered, but it's not long at all before game advancement means they're less-powered than whatever has become "current."
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    "For the world is hollow, and I have touched the sky."

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    LMAO yea EW relic so peak. Hand in your tomestones on patch release and get the upgrade straight away. So awesome and accomplishing. And you know what I did, once the job level rolled over? I discarded any manderville relics. But I hold on to the ARR, HW, Stb and ShB relics, that I have done. Guess why that is?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrysOCE View Post
    LMAO yea EW relic so peak. Hand in your tomestones on patch release and get the upgrade straight away. So awesome and accomplishing. And you know what I did, once the job level rolled over? I discarded any manderville relics. But I hold on to the ARR, HW, Stb and ShB relics, that I have done. Guess why that is?
    Because to YOU they represent that you had to slog uphill in the snow both ways in a blizzard to get them, and you're proud of all the hard work you put in to get what is essentially a glam weapon. Happy for you (truly).

    For me, they were a PitA that wasn't worth that much of my time, effort, attention, and resources... and being able to get a nice glam weapon via a more streamlined method (in EW), was awesome. (And yes, I got my first Manderville EW relic before DT, so I did have to put in a good bit of effort into it getting the special tomestones for the materials, but regardless, if I was going for it now I think I'd still have to go through the Manderville questline to get access to it, right? And even if not, it's been out-powered (just like all the relic weapons) now, so it doesn't matter to me if others have a bit easier time than I did getting it. I keep mine because it reminds me of going through that part of Manderville quests (the first time I totally loved them, I hated ARR Manderville), and because it's danged pretty and I like the colored glows, so yay glam it is, for me.

    I still haven't finished the Anima weapon series, because it too was a PitA. Eventually I might, because I want the minion you get from it, but I just don't care about the weapon itself. *shrug*
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    "For the world is hollow, and I have touched the sky."

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    Zephyr Menodora
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    Zalera
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrysOCE View Post
    LMAO yea EW relic so peak. Hand in your tomestones on patch release and get the upgrade straight away. So awesome and accomplishing. And you know what I did, once the job level rolled over? I discarded any manderville relics. But I hold on to the ARR, HW, Stb and ShB relics, that I have done. Guess why that is?
    I did the same thing - deleted every single one of those once I outgeared them aside from WHM since I just keep my WHM stuff. There were a few stages I like as glamours, but no attachment to most of the weapons themselves.

    I definitely still have the various completed and half-completed relics from other expansions though, even if I'll never use them on glams.
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    Keiho Fukiku
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChrysOCE View Post
    LMAO yea EW relic so peak. Hand in your tomestones on patch release and get the upgrade straight away. So awesome and accomplishing. And you know what I did, once the job level rolled over? I discarded any manderville relics. But I hold on to the ARR, HW, Stb and ShB relics, that I have done. Guess why that is?
    Because they look better? The Manderville relics all had the same design. So lame.
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