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[Thurmnmurmn]

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The large reason why people disliked the EW relic is more that it didn't add anything to the game. Everyone already caps on weekly tomestones and so in return, would also have enough for a step of the relic.
Essentially we played the exact same way as usual.

[ChrysOCE]

LMAO yea EW relic so peak. Hand in your tomestones on patch release and get the upgrade straight away. So awesome and accomplishing. And you know what I did, once the job level rolled over? I discarded any manderville relics. But I hold on to the ARR, HW, Stb and ShB relics, that I have done. Guess why that is?

[Musashidon]

The large reason why people disliked the EW relic is more that it didn't add anything to the game.

this is how every relic weapon is though. it's always just slapped into content they already made or its slapped into old content to give it a small revitalization, it has never added anything to the game.

[Nana_Bear]

...That said, the discourse over the idea that Final Fantasy 14 doesn't cater to the hardcore or no-lifer MMO player is odd, because I'm one of the most casual and low-skill people here and yet I've struggled to find things I can do because the game keeps getting harder but I'm not getting better.

Same. Which is why I'm so glad they've continued making a lot of the fights DS/Trust (though I wish we had a second option, to go in as a small party and just fill in empty slots with NPC Scions, for when say hubby and I party up but don't want to fight with random players).

WHY am I glad for DS/Trust expansion?

Because I am not that great at fights. I'm old. And I have a lot of performance anxiety, not wanting to let other people down in the fight. For big dungeons, trials, raids, I have to watch YouTube guides to TRY to get an idea on mechanics, what to do/not do, so I don't screw us up or grossly overtax our healer(s). There's very few fights where I remember ALL that fight's mechanics and do them with ease. And fights where they require us doing a lot of math, etc... ha. I really need to be in a Discord call with family/a friend who knows the fight and can tell me what I need to do, while we're fighting it.

But I *love* the game, *love* the story, and enjoy playing it with family and friends (both RL and friends I've made IN game), attending events, decorating house and character, etc. The game *isn't* just for people who live for Savage/Ultimate/etc. fights, yet some of them forget that, sigh. And yes, there *are* fights I enjoy doing... but for many, being able to just run them with NPCs lets me focus *on* my fighting and not have that performance anxiety chittering away in the background. It's nice.

And when I *have* to get through some new trial/raid that requires a lot of people, in order to progress in MSQ, I may have to wait a while but eventually family who have more friends than I do in game, will pull together a party of them to help me (and husband) get through it. Thankfully.

[Nana_Bear]

The large reason why people disliked the EW relic is more that it didn't add anything to the game. Everyone already caps on weekly tomestones and so in return, would also have enough for a step of the relic.
Essentially we played the exact same way as usual.

And when DT came out, I could walk into Old Sharlayan and buy the top level EW gear from a Rowena vendor for poetics rather than what we had to pay before.

I fail to see the problem here. *shrug*

Also as others said in reply to you, none of the relics actually "add" anything to the game, really; they're glams, basically. Oh, when they first come out they may be high-powered, but it's not long at all before game advancement means they're less-powered than whatever has become "current."

[Thurmnmurmn]

this is how every relic weapon is though. it's always just slapped into content they already made or its slapped into old content to give it a small revitalization, it has never added anything to the game.

SB and Shb came out with eureka and bozja. It was tied to that content from the start.
ARR and HW I do agree with you there. I also didn't play back in those expansions so I can't really say what the general sentiment was for those. Although as I recall, ARR did have a couple trials specific to the relic.

The point is simply that older relics had you actually go out and do something specific and different from what you regularly did everyday.

This is not meant to diminish those who liked the EW relics. Just to explain why a lot of people didn't like it. If you liked it, that's awesome, I'm glad for you. I just wish I could have had something to do.

[Nana_Bear]

LMAO yea EW relic so peak. Hand in your tomestones on patch release and get the upgrade straight away. So awesome and accomplishing. And you know what I did, once the job level rolled over? I discarded any manderville relics. But I hold on to the ARR, HW, Stb and ShB relics, that I have done. Guess why that is?

Because to YOU they represent that you had to slog uphill in the snow both ways in a blizzard to get them, and you're proud of all the hard work you put in to get what is essentially a glam weapon. Happy for you (truly).

For me, they were a PitA that wasn't worth that much of my time, effort, attention, and resources... and being able to get a nice glam weapon via a more streamlined method (in EW), was awesome. (And yes, I got my first Manderville EW relic before DT, so I did have to put in a good bit of effort into it getting the special tomestones for the materials, but regardless, if I was going for it now I think I'd still have to go through the Manderville questline to get access to it, right? And even if not, it's been out-powered (just like all the relic weapons) now, so it doesn't matter to me if others have a bit easier time than I did getting it. I keep mine because it reminds me of going through that part of Manderville quests (the first time I totally loved them, I hated ARR Manderville), and because it's danged pretty and I like the colored glows, so yay glam it is, for me.

I still haven't finished the Anima weapon series, because it too was a PitA. Eventually I might, because I want the minion you get from it, but I just don't care about the weapon itself. *shrug*

[Musashidon]

SB and Shb came out with eureka and bozja. It was tied to that content from the start.
ARR and HW I do agree with you there. I also didn't play back in those expansions so I can't really say what the general sentiment was for those. Although as I recall, ARR did have a couple trials specific to the relic.

The point is simply that older relics had you actually go out and do something specific and different from what you regularly did everyday.

This is not meant to diminish those who liked the EW relics. Just to explain why a lot of people didn't like it. If you liked it, that's awesome, I'm glad for you. I just wish I could have had something to do.

the problem is eureka and bozja had no relic content it just had content and as you did it you got the relic, the relic was just thrown into already made content and called relic content but you didnt go out of your way to get it. this is how every single relic has always been arr/hw was technically the most unique with like the books/maps and by technicality from 1.0 the hydra and chimera since those two were only for relics and nothing else.

honestly i disliked EW relic the most cause it required me to do something else since i don't do dailies or hunt i enjoy'd eureka/bozja relics cause it didnt require any effort myself since just playing the content get me relics.

[ZephyrMenodora]

LMAO yea EW relic so peak. Hand in your tomestones on patch release and get the upgrade straight away. So awesome and accomplishing. And you know what I did, once the job level rolled over? I discarded any manderville relics. But I hold on to the ARR, HW, Stb and ShB relics, that I have done. Guess why that is?

I did the same thing - deleted every single one of those once I outgeared them aside from WHM since I just keep my WHM stuff. There were a few stages I like as glamours, but no attachment to most of the weapons themselves.

I definitely still have the various completed and half-completed relics from other expansions though, even if I'll never use them on glams.

[Thurmnmurmn]

the problem is eureka and bozja had no relic content it just had content and as you did it you got the relic, the relic was just thrown into already made content and called relic content but you didnt go out of your way to get it.

Oh ok, I misunderstood what you were saying. My b.
Wether the relic content was intended to be attached to it or not has nothing to do with what I've been saying. The point is that it made you do something new that you weren't doing the patch before. And for me personally, I did go out of my way to get those relic weapons. I wouldn't have engaged with the content as long otherwise.
But that's the beauty of humanity, everyone is different.

Apologies for derailing the initial subject of the thread btw.