Potential Housing Crisis Fix (Includes ability for permanent Housing (Sm, Med, Lrg)

[Solowing]

Because, housing doesn't have the pull at players think it does.

When you see full wards of houses that don't get demolished but it's also empty. The players are there and they're logging in but they're not visiting their own wards.

Outside of the dedicated minority, Housing has a shelf life. Once players usually decorated and are satisfied.They really don't come back because there's no reason to.

I get the s intimate but I don't see the reason to rework a system that is not going to pay off. The player script can screen that it will but their actions as it stands prove otherwise. Limbs is where the players like to sit around.They want to interact with each other.They don't want to sit in the housing unit isolated from everyone else.

They can say that but that's not what they want. But human nature doesn't lie. And the fact that most players rather spend their time in Limsa then a housing instance speaks volumes for the validity of reworking a system. When current player habits already support that that's not gonna change anything.. Because they're still gonna spend most of their time in limsa and not in the housing ward.


So why change the system when the players are going to fall right back into the current habits.

If you don't believe me walk into limsa and then walk into any housing ward and then walk into most of these apartments lists. It will be overwhelmingly vacant compared to the major cities.

It's like saying you know you need to spend a hundred dollars to fix an issue but then by the end of that a hundred dollars you still have the exact same issue. Housing units are still going to be empty because players are not wanting to sit in an isolated instance so they will go where the other players are.

You fixed the problem but you also have the exact same problem you still suffered from. Players are still primarily gonna hang in hub an not the housing area. The problem is fixed but nothing financially was gained. In fact they might subs since players can quit without needing to upkeep their plots.

[Lynnreia]

Honestly, this suggested S9 apartment thing just sounds like a band aid on a broken system. If they're going to put in a big chunk of effort into housing ever again, they should just do away with wards and let people buy a permanent instanced house where they choose the scenery.
A group of people could then create their own instanced ward/neighbourhood to hang out in and at their own discretion, decide if they want to show others via some new "see all visible wards/houses" interface, which would also let people put in a description and add tags.

I do agree most housing wards feel very empty and desolate, but I think part of it honestly stems from the unreliable ways to get a house near people you know. I have a house, which I've turned into a bakery and love very much, but I find the main reason I visit it is to keep it from demolishing, because it's nowhere near where any of my friends are. Most of us will hang out around our FC house, which is in a completely different area. A few other friends have an FC as well and it'd be great if we could have both FC houses as well as everyone's private houses in the same area with jointly decided aesthetics etc.

I disagree to adding OP's suggestion, mostly because I feel they should just rip out the current system and put in something better. Otherwise it feels just like the cop-out that is Outfits, where instead of giving us a proper glamour system they slapped a band aid on the existing one. A band aid which, to me, felt like a statement they'll never fix it properly.

[Solowing]

Honestly, this suggested S9 apartment thing just sounds like a band aid on a broken system. If they're going to put in a big chunk of effort into housing ever again, they should just do away with wards and let people buy a permanent instanced house where they choose the scenery.
A group of people could then create their own instanced ward/neighbourhood to hang out in and at their own discretion, decide if they want to show others via some new "see all visible wards/houses" interface, which would also let people put in a description and add tags.

I do agree most housing wards feel very empty and desolate, but I think part of it honestly stems from the unreliable ways to get a house near people you know. I have a house, which I've turned into a bakery and love very much, but I find the main reason I visit it is to keep it from demolishing, because it's nowhere near where any of my friends are. Most of us will hang out around our FC house, which is in a completely different area. A few other friends have an FC as well and it'd be great if we could have both FC houses as well as everyone's private houses in the same area with jointly decided aesthetics etc.

I disagree to adding OP's suggestion, mostly because I feel they should just rip out the current system and put in something better. Otherwise it feels just like the cop-out that is Outfits, where instead of giving us a proper glamour system they slapped a band aid on the existing one. A band aid which, to me, felt like a statement they'll never fix it properly.

Changing the housing system is literally going to do nothing.

The players are gonna have their fun for 5 minutes and then move on.

I spend a lot of my time in the housing ward.

Most people don't want to do that.They find it isolating. Have you ever scrolled through the housing ward and just checked in random houses and find them empty the majority of the time?

An instant system is going to be the same. Except you paid money to get the same result to make a couple of people happy, when the money is better spent on literally anything else that draws players to the game or improve something.

I hear a lot of people say star wars galaxy has the best housing. But I don't see anyone here plyaying star wars galaxy.. It seems legendary for it's housing. But it seems housing doesn't pay the bills. Now rework a system that cost money but doesn't have a RoI.

I read somewhere that yoship.Wishes he could have changed the system. But they are far too entrenched in the system. And reworking it would cost money that they wouldn't really get back and it doesn't really forward the game.

[Lynnreia]

Changing the housing system is literally going to do nothing.

The players are gonna have their fun for 5 minutes and then move on.

I spend a lot of my time in the housing ward.

Most people don't want to do that.They find it isolating. Have you ever scrolled through the housing ward and just checked in random houses and find them empty the majority of the time?

An instant system is going to be the same. Except you paid money to get the same result to make a couple of people happy, when the money is better spent on literally anything else that draws players to the game or improve something.

I hear a lot of people say star wars galaxy has the best housing. But I don't see anyone here plyaying star wars galaxy.. It seems legendary for it's housing. But it seems housing doesn't pay the bills. Now rework a system that cost money but doesn't have a RoI.

I read somewhere that yoship.Wishes he could have changed the system. But they are far too entrenched in the system. And reworking it would cost money that they wouldn't really get back and it doesn't really forward the game.

That's kind of what I'm getting at. Like you say, a lot of people will engage with the system at first and then leave it alone, not wanting to be too isolated. Housing can be isolating for a myriad of reasons, most of them probably stemming from a lack of good ways to fuel social interaction, FOMO empty house purchases "just in case", as well as unwillingness to engage if you might end up losing it.

Which is why if they were to remake it, they would have to make it work socially as well.

Player-driven neighbourhoods so you can get yourself set up to like-minded people and/or friends, where you know people will be active.

A tool where players can "advertise" their house/neighbourhood for hanging out as well as purposes for the hang out. Just having a fun chat? Creating a roleplaying area? Some other interesting event? All available in a tool with tagging so you can sort out things you aren't interested in.

I'm aware it'd be a huge undertaking for the FF team, and I don't have any big hopes of it happening. However, what I am saying is, regardless of what they do, if they were to remake the housing system it cannot be an isolated experience, it has to come with helpful tools to socialise with other people.

Heck, they could just implement the tool separately and see where that leads them. Best case, more housing engagement. Worst case, plenty of players have a tool to find other people to hang out with for whatever they want to do.

[RikuSaito]

they could just use the Island Content and allow us to build a house on that, just make it so your island needs to be at a certain point to be able to build the house.

means they get abit of content thats hardly used made viable, people wanting a house can get one with abit of work and not spend months hoping to win the lottery.

[Divinemights]

they could just use the Island Content and allow us to build a house on that, just make it so your island needs to be at a certain point to be able to build the house.

means they get abit of content thats hardly used made viable, people wanting a house can get one with abit of work and not spend months hoping to win the lottery.

Island Sanctuary is just a variation of WoW Barrack (fixed customization of layout) and that is why there is no restriction on ownership
Even if they let you build a house, it would be an universal one (where you cant customize garden) as an entrance link to a apartment like space.
Why would they doing that when there is already an apartment?
If you are talking about apply same customize housing on the island, why not just release more plot ward instead (probably less demanding on server)
The whole reason of limitation on number of ward is because it need to be load with servers to begin with
Player housing on Island would not work

[s32ialx]

Island Sanctuary is just a variation of WoW Barrack (fixed customization of layout) and that is why there is no restriction on ownership
Even if they let you build a house, it would be an universal one (where you cant customize garden) as an entrance link to a apartment like space.
Why would they doing that when there is already an apartment?
If you are talking about apply same customize housing on the island, why not just release more plot ward instead (probably less demanding on server)
The whole reason of limitation on number of ward is because it need to be load with servers to begin with
Player housing on Island would not work

To be fair you can actually decorate your island with outdoor furniture that was meant for a house so as long as they provided different skins for us to pick and allowing anyone to come see your island/house that would be viable

[Divinemights]

To be fair you can actually decorate your island with outdoor furniture that was meant for a house so as long as they provided different skins for us to pick and allowing anyone to come see your island/house that would be viable

It is variation of WoW Barrack where server only need to instance with different combination of sliders in direct comparison to Plot Ward's free decoration yard.
Player would get a door lead into a instance Apartment alike inner space.
Again, what is the point?
Might as well jut ask for expansion on Apartment dimensions.

If you are going to say let island to have exactly same outside decoration like plot ward; then why not just ask more plot ward instead
Again, whole reason why we have limited plot ward is because server can't handle it