Rewards vs pvp integrity

[Valence]

The semi-facetious answer is "because it's an MMO."

That said, the "gimme summat or I won't play" seems to me to be particularly bad in 14.

But there's a lovely breeze coming in from my balcony, and thus I am optimistic. I report non-participants. Over the last six weeks, I've been contacted by GMs on four occasions who seem genuinely interested in discussing my concerns. They have encouraged me to continue to report those breaking ToS. I get the feeling there's a little PvP enclave at SE (NA at least), where GMs care about FL.

I hope I'm not fooling myself.

You want change? Vote kick and report.

I suspect there are many players "just there for the rewards" who avoid combat and don't know they're doing anything wrong. Or they figure FL is a joke mode.

Let's change that belief. Olivia tried to remove this element of the player base through her exceptional skill. Hasn't worked. Suspended accounts may be more effective than getting the snot kicked out of you by a French Maid.

Vive la résistance! Mort aux détracteurs!

Can you ask them to talk to their EU fellows? Our GMs here are the worst offenders when it comes to lethargic play. I've never once in my life been contacted by a GM for a report I made. And I've made a lot of them.

[Mawlzy]

Can you ask them to talk to their EU fellows? Our GMs here are the worst offenders when it comes to lethargic play. I've never once in my life been contacted by a GM for a report I made. And I've made a lot of them.

Uhm. Sure! Sorry your lot are lagging. FWIW this is a somewhat recent (past 3 months) development, but I'll happily encourage an expansion to EU.

[Mawlzy]

It'll end up a ghosttown cause it seems like recently theres a ton more pvp static teams joining the FL and mowing through us that yes, want the rewards, but also try but havent done all the youtube watching to learn what buttons to push when and at what cycle during certain times and stuff. If it werent for malmstone rewards, I would never do pvp as im not much into it to begin with. But what would make it more enjoyable to play is 1.This is for roulette anyways, not queuing specifically up for it, but you must queue as a random so it is mixed up entirely between teams. I think people can do one 5-10min session without friends. 2. Take away pullin and knockback skills. Gets old when there isnt any fighting at all. Its just player getting tied down and cheap killed. Or make FL roulette just like signing up for a dungeon, you enter as the class you entered with and the teams are evened out like a dungeon. No more everyone being the same class so people get yanked around till killed. I have no problems with friends playing together like a lot of people keep arguing about. Its the ones that play together like a static team. Yes, I suck, you can all sit there and tease me about it. But I'd at least like to fight in a pvp FL instead of getting pulled around and then tied down and killed with no possibility of defending myself. So to me its either must sign up as a solo rando for FL roulette or it get treated like signing up for a dungeon run. Getting to a point where if i even make it to the mount right now on the malmstones, its the last I play for pvp. FL is not fun at all with it being just running into battlefield just to get yanked around 50 times.

Courage, mon brave!

If you're playing at melee distance, be aware the competent enemies are using "target nearest."

Don't be nearest. It's like that business when you're getting chased by a bear. You don't need to be faster than the bear. Consult a Canadian for details.

Through the iterations I have played, FL boils down to moving fast and kicking the enemy in the teeth before they lock onto your teeth.

Playing solo is fine. Over 8,000+ matches, I have always queued solo. I have to. I'm convinced joining Discord premades gives you STDs.

You may die. Oh well. Rub some dirt in it, get back in there, and smack the yahoo who got you.

Or just play green dps or ranged and avoid all that fisticuffs and ping-ponging! AST and WHM are wonderful. You get to wear pretty frocks, twirl elegantly, cause chaos, then drop a courtesy heal as you run away essay a tactical retreat.

Exit stage left, smiling, as your cooldowns... er... cool down. Then unleash the cats of war again. Preferably behind a tank.

It's digital ballet.

Poetry in motion.

[Teno]

Idk, I think frontline was better when there was no exp yet. Because people only joined to win and PvP, not to do their roulettes or freaking moogle event fast losing grinding sessions. You maybe don't have to go down to 0 exp or moogle tomestones, but you could reduce it, so losing isn't so attractive.
It still popped regularly, just not the other less played modes where you had to wait hours or days to get a pop, but this is solved now anyway with the daily rotation. But maybe there should be a 48 mode too?

I don't like how the discussion about rewards always shifts to old feast rewards being made available again, as if SE has no other power than to reuse assets that already existed before. It is like acknowledging that someone sees PvP as nothing more than it could be, that they only care about past rewards but not about the future game mode.

There are so many rare items in the game from 1.0 and obscure methods like quick venture and item codes from stuff that you can no longer buy. Items that were released on some datacenters in some regions but not elsewhere. Items that already exist but are not dyeable yet after more than a decade of requests, like the sealrock glam. Nobody ever talks about these anymore.

There should be an item that needs dozens of wolf collars, or even hundred for a single piece
e.g. Having a turnin for 50 wolf collar to change the seal rock glam into a dyed version.
e.g. A stand alone PvP themed armor set that needs a fckton of wolf collars - like really grindy like a hunt mount.

otherwise series crystals still have no value, once you played 1 series to 30, you can almost buy everything you really want. Besides all the reskin glam.
While I liked the upgrades to hellhound weapons, they introduced a new item that you need for it, so crystals are still in high supply...Maybe 10000-15000 crystals should let people buy 1 of those red upgrade items directly...
What about a hellhound armor that can be upgraded with subtle red effects too?

Players would be busy a whole year if they make it grindy. PvP Relic... Still a lot of untouched potential for PvP, for a crowd that is maybe done with PvE.

It's asinine to me that almost every old pvp reward can't be obtained anymore, not even a redyed version. And the only thing they added this patch is one not so old set. Crystals and collars are piling up in my inventory too. I certainly wouldn't mind very grindy rewards in exchange for those.

[Mawlzy]

Can you ask them to talk to their EU fellows? Our GMs here are the worst offenders when it comes to lethargic play. I've never once in my life been contacted by a GM for a report I made. And I've made a lot of them.

I had an opportunity to fulfil your request this evening and did so.

FWIW I've noticed that when lethargic players also type something in chat that is negative or defeatist, I'm far more likely to get a follow-up from a GM. I guess part of this may be that chat logs are easy to check, plus the overall focus on protecting players against chat harassment.

[Valence]

Yeah ok but I mostly report from CC games. It's all about quickchat BM, ignore marks or silence.
But this should be equally as easy to check anyway.
So I don't know if it's GMs actually not giving two fucks about CC (especially ranked?!), or it's just an EU problem.

[Commander_Justitia]

I think they would like to care, but they are not allowed and limited in their power to check out stuff and it costs manpower - in an age where WoW already fallsback to AI GM support. Where you get banned for weeks, because some people mass reported you etc.
If PvP ranked has duty record active by default, saved on their cloud server, kept for like 48hrs online before deleted. GM's could at least check the file and determine what to do then...