[Feedback] Blacklist is better, but not good enough.

[Supersnow845]

I’m just confused about your perception of safety

Let’s ignore the plugin directly for the moment

Are you saying you are willing to give your account data to the client of your stalker in exchange for the (unmodded) client to not have you show up on their client?

Because I’m trying to explain that your suggestions aren’t bad, they just simply won’t actually achieve anything while sensitive data is being sent to the stalkers client, it’s the equivalent of putting your hands in front of your eyes and going “I cant see you so you so you aren’t there” .

If you are willing to make that trade do you think others are willing to make that trade? For example I’d sacrifice all your suggestions to get my account data off my stalkers client.

This has to be the first, second third and last thing, is pressuring square to actually fix this gaping hole in account security. After they have fixed that then we can discuss making the blacklist more broadly useful in functionality because I don’t know any other way to say your suggestions are useless without it, because if someone wants to stalk you then editing the current blacklist design won’t help when it’s built on this gaping flaw. If someone is already willing to stalk you why would you think that they would stop at the boundaries of the vanilla client

[voidlorn]

I’m just confused about your perception of safety

Let’s ignore the plugin directly for the moment

Are you saying you are willing to give your account data to the client of your stalker in exchange for the (unmodded) client to not have you show up on their client?

Because I’m trying to explain that your suggestions aren’t bad, they just simply won’t actually achieve anything while sensitive data is being sent to the stalkers client, it’s the definition of out of sight out of mind.

If you are willing to make that trade do you think others are willing to make that trade? For example I’d sacrifice all your suggestions to get my account data off my stalkers client.

This has to be the first, second third and last thing, is pressuring square to actually fix this gaping hole in account security. After they have fixed that then we can discuss making the blacklist more broadly useful in functionality because I don’t know any other way to say your suggestions are useless without it, because if someone wants to stalk you then editing the current blacklist design won’t help when it’s built on this gaping flaw

I'm saying that, assuming Square FIXES the vulnerabilities that this stupid plugin exploits, I want a blacklist feature where they are not able to see my characters or my chat messages. That's it! This isn't complicated.

Even if they don't fix it immediately, I would rather have the functionality in place sooner than later, because I don't care if they have my account information because they, ideally, won't be able to do anything with it. I just want these people to have to put in some work to be able to see my character/messages if they want it THAT badly, and in the process of doing so, have to break the TOS/rules, thus putting themselves in a position where they can be reported and blocked.

ETA: Once again, the changes might not stop them from doing so illegally, but again: Just because things are exploitable doesn't mean they shouldn't be implemented to make it harder for people to harass others.

[Supersnow845]

I'm saying that, assuming Square FIXES the vulnerabilities that this stupid plugin exploits, I want a blacklist feature where they are not able to see my characters or my chat messages. That's it! This isn't complicated.

Even if they don't fix it immediately, I would rather have the functionality in place sooner than later, because I don't care if they have my account information because they, ideally, won't be able to do anything with it. I just want these people to have to put in some work to be able to see my character/messages if they want it THAT badly, and in the process of doing so, have to break the TOS/rules, thus putting themselves in a position where they can be reported and blocked.

Okay we agree on the fix comes first

I guess I just don’t really understand what the benefit of discussing what comes after the fix when square can’t even actually do the fix right

As I have said your suggestions aren’t bad and they are what a blacklist should have, I just felt like you were downplaying the effect of the client data but if all this is built upon the assumption that the fix comes first then I guess I’ll just bow out of the conversation here as I never disagreed with your offered solutions contingent on the fix to the data issue coming first

[voidlorn]

Okay we agree on the fix comes first

I guess I just don’t really understand what the benefit of discussing what comes after the fix when square can’t even actually do the fix right

As I have said your suggestions aren’t bad and they are what a blacklist should have, I just felt like you were downplaying the effect of the client data but if all this is built upon the assumption that the fix comes first then I guess I’ll just bow out of the conversation here as I never disagreed with your offered solutions contingent on the fix to the data issue coming first

It felt like I was downplaying it because it was not at all the point of my post. Once again, I don't really care about the client data. If they know all my alts, sick, they know all the characters they won't be able to see or interact with, good for them. If they use that data for further contact, then they're breaking TOS and can be reported accordingly, so congrats to them, I guess.

I don't even care if the fix comes first, just that it needs to happen at some point. This is a post about features that need to be added to the blacklist, not third-party exploits.

[Veladrys]

I’m just confused about your perception of safety

Let’s ignore the plugin directly for the moment

Are you saying you are willing to give your account data to the client of your stalker in exchange for the (unmodded) client to not have you show up on their client?

What are they even going to do with that information without any sort of program to decipher it? If they don't use the stalker plugin, then having someone else's account info on their client somewhere will be meaningless. It's not going to say "Veladrys Moonspeaker from Malboro has you blocked, here's a list of all their character names and servers." So what does it matter if someone else's vanilla client has my character IDs?

And yes, I know there's an argument to be made for someone being able to look that info up, but if someone's doing that, then they've got to REALLY want to stalk me.

I also played WoW for 15 years, alts have never been anonymous there. I truly don't care who knows my alts.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Even increasing current BL up to 1000 with better loading time would be miles better than OP suggestion.

With the existence of 'you know what', it really doesn't matter whether you can fully prevent X person from viewing what you do in-game or no. Once they 'recorded' what they needed (a.k.a. just exist near you), it's game over. All they needed is an alt account that you never blocked & they can perpetually track you because the game is constantly sending out your 'address'. You can't even hide on your alt within same account because lmao, with that 'you know what' the perpetrator already have full list of your characters.

Tough luck. But until SE suck it up & revamp their BL, the suggestion you're providing will be circumvent in no time, just like the system's most recent update.

[voidlorn]

My kingdom for people to shut up about the stupid plugin.

[voidlorn]

They wouldn't even need access to more information to do this, my god.

This is about functionality that should be added REGARDLESS of the stupid plugin.

If you people want to whinge about the plugin, there's several other threads where you can do so. This is not intended to be one of them.

[CidHeiral]

I don't have anything to add about the blacklist since I rarely use it but they should definitely increase the word filter count significantly and make it not case sensitive.

[Batbrat]

Making the person invisible to you is a great idea, but you also need to be made invisible to them.
No I dont care about what any of you are arguing about. I just want them to do it right.
Allow blacklisting to remove the both of you from each others lists, and also make it so they can't see you just like you can't see them.
That's it.