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    Cyrillo Rongway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carighan View Post
    AST
    Speaking of AST, here's a real life example of how haste was bad for BLM in the past when AST could haste:

    Once upon a time, BLM MP restoration during ice phase was per 3s tick rather than per spell. When AST was first introduced, the Arrow card was a haste buff. At the time, BLM AoE was something like

    Fire3 Fire2 Flare [(EtherHQ/Manafont) Flare] Transpose

    and MP would refill enough during the next Fire3 slow cast to continue. However, if you gave the BLM an Arrow, they would almost always finish casting Fire3 before the server tick, ending up in AF3 with not enough MP to cast any fire spells at all, ruining their flow and requiring them to waste time switching back to ice again. A BLM who was paying really close attention might have realized they were hasted and deliberately paused for just a second so that they could get enough MP, or maybe even status-offed the Arrow, but jobs shouldn't have to think that hard about making changes to their basic rotation just because there's sometimes a party member who can haste and throw off that rotation.

    Anyway, this specific example is no longer relevant because of the way Astral Fire and Umbral Ice were reworked in DT and because BLM AoE changes since HW; but as I said in an earlier post haste will reduce the mobility of casters that get a fixed number of instant casts per minute, by making their GCD timers shorter, which could affect them negatively during a savage run where they expect to know exactly how much time they have to dodge each thing in the fight script and they expect those timings to be consistent between attempts.
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    Carighan Maconar
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    It's funny that you call that a downside, btw. When to me it's one of those things:

    * Bad server coding (why doesn't haste increase the MP regen tick speed?!)
    * Good. There ought to be tons of buff effects you get from all kinds of sources that utterly mess with any static type of rotation, because static rotations are incredibly mind-numbingly boring. And all damage jobs in this game have them, which is why they are so incredibly boring to play.

    But yeah, single sources of haste would not work out. Add more. Maybe Gunbreakers apply 4s of Haste to a random nearby party member when Brutal Shell breaks? Maybe Dark Knights reduce the damage output of everyone in their puddle by 10% but in return they heal for 100% of all damage they deal? Maybe Dancers DP steadily increases and decreases an unreliable haste buff as the time ticks away on it and it gets reapplied.

    Basically, more buffs that affect less targets, last shorter, and have stronger and more varied effects. This naturally also breaks the static rotation mold and the forced 120s burst sync curse.
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    Last edited by Carighan; 05-08-2025 at 05:51 PM.

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