Thread: Prog skipping/lying is going wild this tier.

I don't think a shame list is something I would agree with, but I do need a bigger Block list. Prog lying was always extremely rampant. I have done 3 tiers in PF, and every single one of them had them.

Because Anabessios and the last tier were easy enough to carry, everyone became complacent and carried them, enabling and feeding bad actors. I am glad m6s is such a wall because you can finally not carry somebody that is just objectively bad.

I had an awful enough experience in p3s back then, so l quit raiding. Seems like that choice was definitely correct

my last raiding era was shadowbringer and always in blind prog for the first clear but to grind I always go with Strat pf and no matter how much you set anything there is always one person who think can be carried no matter what. It's bad yes but can you stop it no unless you use fflogs that is also against ToS if spoken into the game so it's well not easy to see those because a other thing I have seen when I started doing ultimate never cleared. Was some people actually bought carries to have the title but they are far to have the needed skills lv

sounds like a great tool for harassment

More blacklist space however would be welcome, for the reasons you listed
It's also odd that you can still group up with people you have blacklisted
Outside of the other glaring issues of the feature

This has always been a thing:

A10S in Heavensward, I setup post-Steamroller parties and nobody could get beyond it. It was frustrating. We had no [Duty Complete] then so it was easy to sub in a static and clear it with a competent party.

E1S I was ready to clear on the second pull (it was that easy), but it took me 4 weeks because nobody could do the first phase right. In the end, I subbed in a static that forgot to put [Duty Complete] and cleared the whole fight despite not having even seen most of it, because I knew I could do it.

E2S I got almost to the end on the first party I joined because it was the easiest fight ever. But after 6 weeks, it was evident that this was the hardest fight ever for PF and filtered them so hard even when joining midway progs. I switched to a healer to try and carry them through and cleared pretty quick. In one of them I was rezzing the other healer repeatedly and basically solo healing.

I could go on but this has always been a thing and always will be.

I don't think blacklisting is the solution. I think the other post made recently about recording what % you were at when the first person died or got a damage down, and then allowing PF to filter based on % progress, would help.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

E1S I was ready to clear on the second pull (it was that easy), but it took me 4 weeks because nobody could do the first phase right. In the end, I subbed in a static that forgot to put [Duty Complete] and cleared the whole fight despite not having even seen most of it, because I knew I could do it.

You pretty much described a good chunk of PF and why they prog lie. It's good that it ended well for you, but yeah. It's one of the main contributors.

Originally Posted by Kohashi

You pretty much described a good chunk of PF and why they prog lie. It's good that it ended well for you, but yeah. It's one of the main contributors.

Yes, although the difference was that when I did it, I was extremely confident and that confidence was proven by 1 shotting it with the static. I wouldn't do it if I wasn't super confident.

The issue with prog liars is when they join a prog far beyond what they can get to consistently, and aren't confident in their ability to get to that prog point consistently, but want to benefit from the other players being consistent.

Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Yes, although the difference was that when I did it, I was extremely confident and that confidence was proven by 1 shotting it with the static. I wouldn't do it if I wasn't super confident.

The issue with prog liars is when they join a prog far beyond what they can get to consistently, and aren't confident in their ability to get to that prog point consistently, but want to benefit from the other players being consistent.

I am pretty sure most people who go into PF share a very similar mentality. Overconfidence in their own ability to execute flawlessly something they have only seen once or in a guide. However, theory often doesn't translate into practice right away.

The other chunk pretty much are selfish a-holes who want to speed up progress at the expense of everyone else involved.

Anyway, in your case, at least you had a static, so basically a KFF situation, which is often done and okay. I also did it with p12s + another friend because we were just sick and tired of the memes.

For me, at least, when I see people join a certain prog point and fail to deliver consistency for whatever reason, and they do not remove themselves from the situation, I simply BL and kick them. By being kind to some random dude, you are unkind to everyone else, and that hardly seems fair.

Originally Posted by Kohashi

I am pretty sure most people who go into PF share a very similar mentality. Overconfidence in their own ability to execute flawlessly something they have only seen once or in a guide. However, theory often doesn't translate into practice right away.

I don't think they are overconfident, actually. I think that in many cases, the individuals are just impulsive ie. they don't think.

Their thought process is: "I have seen the mechanic once, therefore I am up to that mechanic", even though they can't get there consistently. I know because I have been in discord with random PUGs that have said that exact thing.

So let's say they saw 3rd phase of a fight with a bunch of deaths and numerous mistakes. Now they will join 3rd phase progs. They don't actually understand that they need to be able to get there consistently with no mistakes - vulns, damage downs, deaths, etc.

For myself it's different because normally I wouldn't do what I did. I would just join a fresh prog instead. It's very hard for me to be confident, so if I am then the fight must just genuinely be that easy for my role.

For me, at least, when I see people join a certain prog point and fail to deliver consistency for whatever reason, and they do not remove themselves from the situation, I simply BL and kick them.

It's inconsiderate for sure. In my experience, in all of life really, a lot of people are inconsiderate and I don't understand it.