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  1. #21
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    Daralii's Avatar
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    Endris Caemwynn
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ThaCa View Post
    That is all on SQEX to do something about it, if they had balls to ban people it would stop.
    I don't know how bad the situation is in NA, but most of the regulars in EU that stream don't seem to have any visible plugins to help them.

    I wouldn't mind seeing ALL the mods get deleted from the game if it ensured no cheating in any content.
    That wouldn't stop things like teleport hacking, which the game also can't detect and SE isn't willing to manually monitor.
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  2. #22
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    ThreeBeastSmile's Avatar
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    Raccam Tantaram
    World
    Omega
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by ThaCa View Post
    Alright, post some proof and show me the boogeyman. Otherwise this just reads - Source: I made it up.

    If most people are really using plugins then it's pretty sad how they don't seem to play any better than the regular grinders.
    Some of these "aids" are subtle enough that user error can still allow those that use them to 'come a cropper, yes. Examples include some targeting improvement thing, where iirc it allows you to assign a key to target the lowest health player in the moment, also the "most optimal aoe target". No this plugin was not even aimed at pve, it stated pvp. An unfair advantage yes, but it can be played around, and I do... what I suspect to be often. Doesn't make them okay. Not at all. And devalues anything the user of these things may be trying to achieve in their minds (not that it'd be apparent to them). It's naïve to think all plugins are visible on screen also. If they are, those videos tend to self-destruct right quick and vanish.

    I think when people see "hacks" mentioned, they imagine bot-level GM channel manipulation, or speedhacking or something (which are super obvious) when a lot of it involves tools like the one described. None of this is okay. "But-but- these are things the devs should include as standard buttons!" doesn't matter. While there's a majority that are not privy to such aids, it's underhanded. It's also far harder for the observer to get evidence to prove what they're seeing is as thus. It comes down to noting subjective inconsistencies in a suspect's playstyle, and at times that's like attempting to read body language in a crime suspect in court. It's not absolute. It's also not totally inaccurate in some cases.

    Not even gonna touch the more people power-driven exploits that is wintrading and the like. Just wanted to cover some plugin shenanigans. Can be a rather sad state of affairs when it peaks, and it really does make the notion of those former season exclusive goodies being a badge of honour rather laughable.
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