Cosmic Exploration is CASUAL content with a pinch of midcore

[hydralus]

Genuine question: why would they not?

All I've heard is that red alerts are not a viable option to complete a relic because they only happen every 4 hours and a casual can't be expected to research their relic that way.
Granted I am unsure why people who don't gather and craft would want to grab a relic for it. It'd be like me spending a week to grab the DRK HW relic despite never playing the job.

[s32ialx]

All I've heard is that red alerts are not a viable option to complete a relic because they only happen every 4 hours and a casual can't be expected to research their relic that way.
Granted I am unsure why people who don't gather and craft would want to grab a relic for it. It'd be like me spending a week to grab the DRK HW relic despite never playing the job.

the reason we want the rellics is because a (current) max level relic gives +35% bonus to Lunar Credits which is the Gashapon reward garbage that has the new space suit, new glasses, a new mount, some really nice Orch scrolls, lots of the new uncommon dyes, some furniture locked behind it and majority of the time all you get is prisms or other garbage that you don't want or need (like the furniture if you don't want it as it sells for pennies). Now I know you can say "just buy it off the MB" but not everyone has loads of gil to throw around even if they are all finally under a mill but that's still a lot of gil when you are also trying to save up for other things and could earn it with time instead of gil, if that Gashapon wasn't a total scam for the majority.

[hydralus]

the reason we want the rellics is because a (current) max level relic gives +35% bonus to Lunar Credits which is the Gashapon reward garbage that has the new space suit, new glasses, a new mount, some really nice Orch scrolls, lots of the new uncommon dyes, some furniture locked behind it and majority of the time all you get is prisms or other garbage that you don't want or need (like the furniture if you don't want it as it sells for pennies). Now I know you can say "just buy it off the MB" but not everyone has loads of gil to throw around even if they are all finally under a mill but that's still a lot of gil when you are also trying to save up for other things and could earn it with time instead of gil, if that Gashapon wasn't a total scam for the majority.

That's doing it the slowest way possible. The quick way would be to do a few hours gathering for essentially anything worth more than 700 gil a piece (should be able to get 1,400 of them casually within an hour), and voila after 2 hours you have all the gil you need to get every reward. No need for RNG. You could have gotten that in the time we've been spending chatting on the forums here and you've saved yourself ~6 hours of grinding out a relic and countless more of grinding currency.

The problem here is that rather than asking if there's a better way, for some reason you're dead set on saying it's an impossible expectation. Yet you think it's more reasonable that a person would spend hours grinding out a relic tool for the +35% gacha currency rather than just getting the gil. Ludicrous.

[s32ialx]

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WoW ya'll see one word 'mount' and run with it as if a single example is the only thing, like nothing else similar happens, like it's solely about the one specific mount. LOL.

other examples housing, that's exteme fomo because of how shit the bidding system is majority of house owners just have the house to have it not even an FC house and they only even go in it to not let someone else have it where 99.99999% of the rest of the time they never step foot in the door and just let it collect digital dust. there's many examples but because I used the squirrel mount as one you attach to that like there's no other possible ways of high pop fomo.

and to answer the FoMo of getting a mount is it makes you feel inadequate seeing that people are able to just breeze content in no time while you sit there struggling so being on a low pop server where it's all casuals feels less stresfull.

[Supersnow845]

WoW ya'll see one word 'mount' and run with it as if a single example is the only thing, like nothing else similar happens, like it's solely about the one specific mount. LOL.

other examples housing, that's exteme fomo because of how shit the bidding system is majority of house owners just have the house to have it not even an FC house and they only even go in it to not let someone else have it where 99.99999% of the rest of the time they never step foot in the door and just let it collect digital dust. there's many examples but because I used the squirrel mount as one you attach to that like there's no other possible ways of high pop fomo.

and to answer the FoMo of getting a mount is it makes you feel inadequate seeing that people are able to just breeze content in no time while you sit there struggling so being on a low pop server where it's all casuals feels less stresfull.

I used mounts as an example of your wider point as you provided it as an example initially

Housing is a fair criticism of the busier servers but the rest of the idea that you get FOMO from seeing something someone else owns that you want seems like a personal concern. I see people on aether all the time with things I’d like to have but I don’t flee to dynamis to avoid it. I go “good for them I wonder if it’s viable for me to get that”

[hydralus]

WoW ya'll see one word 'mount' and run with it as if a single example is the only thing, like nothing else similar happens, like it's solely about the one specific mount. LOL.

other examples housing, that's exteme fomo because of how shit the bidding system is majority of house owners just have the house to have it not even an FC house and they only even go in it to not let someone else have it where 99.99999% of the rest of the time they never step foot in the door and just let it collect digital dust. there's many examples but because I used the squirrel mount as one you attach to that like there's no other possible ways of high pop fomo.

and to answer the FoMo of getting a mount is it makes you feel inadequate seeing that people are able to just breeze content in no time while you sit there struggling so being on a low pop server where it's all casuals feels less stresfull.

Housing's still not a requirement for the vast majority of content in the game. There's not even any story quests tied to it. That said I would support moving to a system where all housing is instanced and upgradable, but I have my doubts it will change. Also has little to do with cosmic exploration aside from the loose connection that on a small server you have a better chance of getting a house, but a lower chance of completing cosmic exploration.

You're the one that brought up the mount. And you brought up the mount again because you're still defending the point of people feeling bad they don't have something another person worked to earn. I dunno, deal with it or something, or go live on your low pop server where there's nobody who has anything I guess? I might make the suggestion to play a single player game if the idea of running into a player that has something you don't is this stressful.

[s32ialx]

Housing's still not a requirement for the vast majority of content in the game. There's not even any story quests tied to it. That said I would support moving to a system where all housing is instanced and upgradable, but I have my doubts it will change. Also has little to do with cosmic exploration aside from the loose connection that on a small server you have a better chance of getting a house, but a lower chance of completing cosmic exploration.

You're the one that brought up the mount. And you brought up the mount again because you're still defending the point of people feeling bad they don't have something another person worked to earn. I dunno, deal with it or something, or go live on your low pop server where there's nobody who has anything I guess? I might make the suggestion to play a single player game if the idea of running into a player that has something you don't is this stressful.

You're missing the point and focusing on the mount even though it was just a single example. I guess it was a bad one because I don't actually care about the squirrel mount, I want it but not enough to grind for months straight or break my bank to buy the tokens to get it. It was merely an example because as expansions come out getting extremely tedious stuff like that becomes less about buying the tokens and being a pure grind because people stop grinding those tokens in favor of the new ones thus making it even harder for a casual player to obtain such a thing. And yes nothing is necessary it's just a game, but the fact is the game is suppose to be fun. Also how about you get your toxic ass attitude of telling me to go play a single player game when I clearly stated earlier that I am not talking directly about me or my experiences, I grinded 4 relics in 3 days because I didn't want to front millions of gil for the gacha items and I don't feel like running around the open world, so I stood in the same spot all day every day doing mission after mission getting gold after gold to get it all myself save for the space suit because after 100 spins and no suit I said screw it it's only 230k so I bought 2 and sold the other as individual pieces and made back the money i spent on both.

I am speaking from knowing what other players are thinking, weather you want to see it or not.

[hydralus]

You're missing the point and focusing on the mount even though it was just a single example. I guess it was a bad one because I don't actually care about the squirrel mount, I want it but not enough to grind for months straight or break my bank to buy the tokens to get it. It was merely an example because as expansions come out getting extremely tedious stuff like that becomes less about buying the tokens and being a pure grind because people stop grinding those tokens in favor of the new ones thus making it even harder for a casual player to obtain such a thing. And yes nothing is necessary it's just a game, but the fact is the game is suppose to be fun. Also how about you get your toxic ass attitude of telling me to go play a single player game when I clearly stated earlier that I am not talking directly about me or my experiences, I grinded 4 relics in 3 days because I didn't want to front millions of gil for the gacha items and I don't feel like running around the open world, so I stood in the same spot all day every day doing mission after mission getting gold after gold to get it all myself save for the space suit because after 100 spins and no suit I said screw it it's only 230k so I bought 2 and sold the other as individual pieces and made back the money i spent on both.

I am speaking from knowing what other players are thinking, weather you want to see it or not.

You already talked about people being poor so why would you suggest buying tokens as an option? They're FATEs, they're soloable and most anyone can do them (aside, I guess, from the folks who fail solo duties). But yes there are other aspects of the game you might miss out on if you aren't a player that can commit many hours to it. Even if it's not you in this hypothetical scenario, my response remains the same. If you/they feel so distraught when they see another person has something they don't, then single player games are where it's at. If that's what these hypothetical people are thinking, they need to unironically grow up a little. It honestly sounds like a tiring existence that they need to move on from.

[s32ialx]

That's doing it the slowest way possible. The quick way would be to do a few hours gathering for essentially anything worth more than 700 gil a piece (should be able to get 1,400 of them casually within an hour), and voila after 2 hours you have all the gil you need to get every reward. No need for RNG. You could have gotten that in the time we've been spending chatting on the forums here and you've saved yourself ~6 hours of grinding out a relic and countless more of grinding currency.

The problem here is that rather than asking if there's a better way, for some reason you're dead set on saying it's an impossible expectation. Yet you think it's more reasonable that a person would spend hours grinding out a relic tool for the +35% gacha currency rather than just getting the gil. Ludicrous.

What you're telling me to do is don't help the progression of the CE and instead just go grind for gil because a casuals grind is pointless and all they should do is farm mats for others to make gil and just buy the rewards instead of trying to enjoy the new content themselves. GOT IT.

[hydralus]

What you're telling me to do is don't help the progression of the CE and instead just go grind for gil because a casuals grind is pointless and all they should do is farm mats for others to make gil and just buy the rewards instead of trying to enjoy the new content themselves. GOT IT.

You were the one who told me that the reason someone wants a relic tool is for the +35% points for the gacha system and I informed you there's a much better way to acquire all the rewards, so that reason to want a relic tool is a bad one. If you want to help with the progression of CE then that's not based on the gacha grind. You can casually grind as much as you want and the contribution points will remain the same whether you have the relic equipped or not.

However basing the completion of the progression fates on number of participants without considering server pop is pretty bad and they should try and change that.