Cosmic Exploration is CASUAL content with a pinch of midcore

[s32ialx]

My problem is this was touted as 'casual' content so adding try hard content in it just makes it no longer casual content at all.

For it to be casual content all of it has to be casual, I don't care if it takes twice or 3 times as long to accomplish things if it was fully casual, but gate keeping casual players into lower tier and rare spawn red alerts making it even harder and even more painful to them them to be fucked by the gacha rewards for participation and put in days no a week of work to not even get 1 relic max because doing even 5 red alerts a day (which no one could possibly even do since they are about 5 hours apart on busy servers) would not even give you enough points of IV to level from .7 to .8 once.

So you're asking people to spend weeks on weeks doing red alerts for a single relic, not even multiple, if they are even lucky enough to be able to play during a red alert and all their time and work they spend doing that to also then be told by the gacha system haha here have 10,000 Lunar Credits worth of Prisms.


P.S. lets not forget that all A-Class mission are time sensitive so a casual player would have to fail the mission multiple times just trying to learn if they could possibly even do it causing them to take even that much longer to obtain even just their first relic.


P.S.S. I'm not complaining on behalf of me, I have already 4 relics I try-harded bad, but I was expecting a nice relaxing easy going cosmic exploration not this BS.

[hydralus]

We're never going to agree what counts as casual or midcore or hardcore content since they're community-coined terms. Personally I think just because something takes a while doesn't mean it's hardcore/tryhard. However grinding out 4 tools in a week is pretty tryhard so no wonder you feel it's a grind.

[Kaurhz]

My problem is this was touted as 'casual' content so adding try hard content in it just makes it no longer casual content at all.

For it to be casual content all of it has to be casual, I don't care if it takes twice or 3 times as long to accomplish things if it was fully casual, but gate keeping casual players into lower tier and rare spawn red alerts making it even harder and even more painful to them them to be fucked by the gacha rewards for participation and put in days no a week of work to not even get 1 relic max because doing even 5 red alerts a day (which no one could possibly even do since they are about 5 hours apart on busy servers) would not even give you enough points of IV to level from .7 to .8 once.

So you're asking people to spend weeks on weeks doing red alerts for a single relic, not even multiple, if they are even lucky enough to be able to play during a red alert and all their time and work they spend doing that to also then be told by the gacha system haha here have 10,000 Lunar Credits worth of Prisms.


P.S. lets not forget that all A-Class mission are time sensitive so a casual player would have to fail the mission multiple times just trying to learn if they could possibly even do it causing them to take even that much longer to obtain even just their first relic.


P.S.S. I'm not complaining on behalf of me, I have already 4 relics I try-harded bad, but I was expecting a nice relaxing easy going cosmic exploration not this BS.

This all or nothing mindset with whether something is casual or not is ultimately very detrimental as it is very practical and more than accessible to the casual audience.

I don't think casuals need to rely on Red Alerts or lower tier ranks to get their data logs. There's more than an abundance of A-Ranks which people can use to get their data logs, especially the Experimental recipes. If they cannot do them independently then that's fine... For the most part they do the same with master recipes and melding their gear anyway. People just need to be patient and wait for the resources to be uploaded and available in guides. Give it a good week or 2 more and guides will start making their rounds, which will include optimal accessible missions, and they will more than likely include macros which are scaled to both max melded players and those on scrip gear. Some people are just basically up in arms that there's no guide specifically saying what to do and how to do it.

I do somewhat agree on the complaint regarding the missions being time sensitive... Given the factors behind the recipes they are scaled to be casual, and the presence of a timer sort of contradicts this, but in the same vein expert recipes are not where you go to learn the core aspects of crafting.

[Astronis]

P.S.S. I'm not complaining on behalf of me, I have already 4 relics I try-harded bad, but I was expecting a nice relaxing easy going cosmic exploration not this BS.

So, for...what is it, the fourth time? How do you define "casual"? Since you're fighting on behalf of someone who isn't you, it's good to know what your terms are. Clearly you have something in mind. Something that entails a grind potentially three times as long as current but somehow *also* does not require anyone spending "weeks and weeks" on something...? You've got a narrow definition here so let's hear it.

[s32ialx]

So, for...what is it, the fourth time? How do you define "casual"? Since you're fighting on behalf of someone who isn't you, it's good to know what your terms are. Clearly you have something in mind. Something that entails a grind potentially three times as long as current but somehow *also* does not require anyone spending "weeks and weeks" on something...? You've got a narrow definition here so let's hear it.

The missions shouldn't be impossible without materia, it should be harder but not impossible (this is casual after all and telling players to just do the lower tier stuff is NOT the answer it's suppose to be casual).

The ranking system is gate keeping casual players from even attempting to qualify.

As for the it shouldn't take weeks this I am specifically referring to leveling your relic tools it's not like they are better than Penta crafted tools and are completely useless outside of CE anyways so making it harder for a casual to even benefit from the tool if they are already level 100 before they even get into CE or in between 50 and 90 having no missions for those levels like firmament had.

As for the Lamest Gacha in the world at least with the scratch tickets there was a pattern where the winning prizes would spawn this is just a roll of the dice that you get fucked 90% of the time on which I would 10,000,000% most casuals would rather just grind out 100,000 Lunar Credits to get the space suit or even 500,000 to get the mount instead of spending that much on a gacha and pulling prisms and flower partitions 5000 times, because there is no rhyme or reason to a random chance wheel unlike scratch tickets where more often than not the top prize basically always is one of 2 different spots.

[Astronis]

The missions shouldn't be impossible without materia, it should be harder but not impossible (this is casual after all and telling players to just do the lower tier stuff is NOT the answer it's suppose to be casual).

The ranking system is gate keeping casual players from even attempting to qualify.

As for the it shouldn't take weeks this I am specifically referring to leveling your relic tools it's not like they are better than Penta crafted tools and are completely useless outside of CE anyways so making it harder for a casual to even benefit from the tool if they are already level 100 before they even get into CE or in between 50 and 90 having no missions for those levels like firmament had.

Thank you for answering me. I personally don't think having harder stuff to do while there is still stuff available to casual players is unfriendly to casual players, but opinions obviously differ.

I did shove random materia in my scrip crafter gear so can't speak to that...but...as an actual exceptionally casual crafter, the finished tool (should I bother to get it, since my scrip tool serves my casual crafting needs perfectly well) will be more than sufficient since I won't be pentamelding a different one ever anyway. I'll let you know how long it takes me to make it, should I bother doing so...I might, just because the research bonus will make the botanist axe less miserable to get with the forced GP regen downtime, and I actually would use the botanist tool with some frequency.

IMO, if a tool took a week and a half to level (which would be roughly three times how long it took me to make my fishing pole), I, as a very casual crafter, would never do it, no matter how easy it was to do.

Crafting in FFXIV exists in two phases: the easy macro-spam phase, which has no gameplay, and the expert crafting, which is the same but requires 20,000,000+ gil. Crafting can hardly be called video game content because, unlike combat, botting isn’t simply a cheat, it’s baked in to the design. You press a macro button and it works.

This is almost certainly why I actually kind of like fishing but can't stand crafting in FFXIV. The CE fishing quests are at least somewhat engaging mini-puzzles, even when I didn't manage to figure out the trick to all of them.