Cosmic Exploration is Bad

[Kuroka]

I'm sorry if this sounds insensitive but certain problems are player-based and are not content-based, and if people spent some time to ask "What am I doing wrong here" or "How do you approach these recipes" and some time to read those replies then they would be sat there cruising by, by now.. Rather than calling it insurmountable content.

IDK its just not fun to do constantly the math and check back and forth to look if im hittin the numbers and doing the same 29 commands over and over again just to make some materials lol

I can solve em, but my desire to use some spreadsheets to calculate my every move AND watch the time is about 0.

The very least they should remove the timelimits.

[Anzaman]

The very least they should remove the timelimits.

Even when crafting with macros, some of the timers are so short that I get "1 minute remaining" -warning.

[Kaurhz]

IDK its just not fun to do constantly the math and check back and forth to look if im hittin the numbers and doing the same 29 commands over and over again just to make some materials lol

I can solve em, but my desire to use some spreadsheets to calculate my every move AND watch the time is about 0.

The very least they should remove the timelimits.

I mean, that's fine, that's just crafting and gathering in a nutshell largely. Hit the same macro over and over and over.. Hit the same sequential actions over and over just to make some recipes.

Being able to solve them is fine, and that's good -- But there are many people not bothering to try and solve them, and then blaming the game as opposed to thinking what they could be doing differently, or just getting pent up because they've made some offshoot macro on Teamcraft that requires you to get lucky with Good conditions just to hit gold, for instance.

It's these precise issues why many facets of the game just have systems that ring completely empty, because some are just more concerned with seeing the game as the issue rather than something they may be doing fundamentally wrong.

Over 90% of crafting for the past 8 years has just been, here's a macro, run wild and make profuse amounts of Gil, it's fine if you can't do A-3 recipes or very certain recipes on A1/2, they aren't really required (and most missions that are data log efficient for the relic are macro'd anyway)... It just either means you were either unlucky or doing something fundamentally wrong if you're consistently failing.. Or it just means those specific missions aren't for you.. In the same way other strands of content in the game isn't for certain people, e.g., raiding isn't for me.

[Kuroka]

I mean, that's fine, that's just crafting and gathering in a nutshell largely. Hit the same macro over and over and over.. Hit the same sequential actions over and over just to make some recipes.

Im just saying ofc many just fall back on macros cause thats the only way you stay sane lol
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It just sucks being really invested once you realize the crapton of bots and cheaters there, playing the MB game is like hitting my head against an brickwall....

[Kaurhz]

Im just saying ofc many just fall back on macros cause thats the only way you stay sane lol
It just sucks being really invested once you realize the crapton of bots and cheaters there, playing the MB game is like hitting my head against an brickwall...

Well, yeah, that's fair, I just wouldn't complain that my macro can't 100% something to get me gold, when it quite literally isn't in the parameters to do so, e.g., high multipliers/factors, insufficient stats or whatever. If you want to macro it, run wild, enjoy your silver or gold on certain other recipes, literally all there is to it... Just don't expect gold if your macro doesn't allow it or if you're not up to doing it manual. Nothing wrong with that.

This last point I can relate to, but honestly this speaks as much to crafting and gathering as a whole, rather than the Cosmic system itself (And SEs hands-off nature involving anything third-party).. and this is also what happens when Square Enix elect to completely gut an ability suite in favor of uniformity and macro usage, especially when your only random factor abilities boil down to Rapid Synthesis and Hasty Touch.... This is why any given piece of content will only be as fun as the ability suite supporting it, in this case crafting abilities.

I've said it a thousand times and I'll say it 1001 times... Whistle While you Work needs to come back, it removed the whole "Bash your head against a wall, and rewarded more of the ability to just simply play a little minigame.

[Ekymus]

And people wonder why devs never listen and read forums.. yikes

There are plenty of guides on how to gear up, how to level crafters and which stuff to craft for minimum effort and maximum efficiency. Many of them also give you a crafting rotation macro if you don't want to discover your own. What more do you want?

Doing your weeklies alone will not only provide you with levels but also with enough purple script to consistently gear up. If you add the class quests (class quests, crystarium, studium, wachu) you get TONS of purple scripts. enough to buy tome gear of your level. It might not be BiS but it's more than enough to get you started.
While the Class quests are a bit annoying to do because they are time consuming having to farm all the mats, however, you can find every single item and that you need for each, with all of the mats required listed. You can do a massive collect and do everything in 1 go if you wish.

Who cares about crafters? I'm complaining about the gatherers, specifically fishing, and how terrible it is.

I shouldn't need a guide on how to fish in "casual" content. I couldn't care less about a relic tool and since my server seems to get the server-wide events done with in the first few hours of release when I'm at work, I don't care about building the base up because I'll never be able to participate in that.

And if Cosmic Exploration wasn't meant to be a leveling experience, then they shouldn't have allowed people in at level 10 and just made it level 100 only.

If you can't see that, then that's on you. Please feel free to enjoy this hardcore only content with all the other hardcore players. But don't try to tell me that this is "easy" or "casual" when it's clearly Savage for crafters/gatherers.

[Ekymus]

I mean, that's fine, that's just crafting and gathering in a nutshell largely. Hit the same macro over and over and over.. Hit the same sequential actions over and over just to make some recipes.

You can't use macros for fishing, there's too much random time between casting and getting a bit and then there's even different bites you can get and other randomness. Macros don't work for fishing... or most gathering from what I've seen.

Being able to solve them is fine, and that's good -- But there are many people not bothering to try and solve them, and then blaming the game as opposed to thinking what they could be doing differently, or just getting pent up because they've made some offshoot macro on Teamcraft that requires you to get lucky with Good conditions just to hit gold, for instance.

Really? You think you can "solve" RNG? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

It's these precise issues why many facets of the game just have systems that ring completely empty, because some are just more concerned with seeing the game as the issue rather than something they may be doing fundamentally wrong.

Over 90% of crafting for the past 8 years has just been, here's a macro, run wild and make profuse amounts of Gil, it's fine if you can't do A-3 recipes or very certain recipes on A1/2, they aren't really required (and most missions that are data log efficient for the relic are macro'd anyway)... It just either means you were either unlucky or doing something fundamentally wrong if you're consistently failing.. Or it just means those specific missions aren't for you.. In the same way other strands of content in the game isn't for certain people, e.g., raiding isn't for me.

Again, why do you and others keep bringing up crafting? I don't craft at all, I hate the system and I don't see me ever doing it. My post has been entirely about gathering in Cosmic Exploration. Perhaps you need to learn to read and comprehend before you reply to a thread about gathering with information about crafting.

[Kaurhz]

You can't use macros for fishing, there's too much random time between casting and getting a bit and then there's even different bites you can get and other randomness. Macros don't work for fishing... or most gathering from what I've seen.



Really? You think you can "solve" RNG? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.



Again, why do you and others keep bringing up crafting? I don't craft at all, I hate the system and I don't see me ever doing it. My post has been entirely about gathering in Cosmic Exploration. Perhaps you need to learn to read and comprehend before you reply to a thread about gathering with information about crafting.

1. The idea isn't to solve RNG, the idea is to minimize the reliance on said RNG to be more consistent in the objectives and missions, or just not needing to rely on RNG when you really don't need to do so.

2. I am responding specifically to people stating that Cosmic is hardcore content as an umbrella, it isn't. This is not a "The content is too hard issue", this is a player issue, simple. If you don't like that outlook then that's fine, but really facts don't care about your own personal opinion.

3. Again, I am responding to people who are bringing up this as being hardcore content as an umbrella when it isn't. Hence why I've responded to those people specifically and not to you. I get you have your opinion about fishing, but again, responding specifically to those that are judging this as hardcore content which is insurmountable for the casual player. So how about you check up on this before you try to condescendingly criticize peoples' reading comprehension. My response was not about you. Lol

If you spent spent as much time actually fishing, as to what you did spend time on here condescending people and falsely attributing poor reading comprehension, then you would probably already be Level 100 Fisher instead of 97. Especially if you actually tried listening to what people had to say rather than shoving it away..

[Aidorouge]

Alternatively, it isn't as unapproachable and uninviting as people make it out to be. Look, there are some issues, e.g., scaling points on levelling, which is as much to do with Ishgard Restoration than it is to do with Cosmic itself since they're woefully unbalanced. Or something like missions not resetting cordials. leading to unnecessary waiting around between gatherer missions, or that the progression events are not scaled well for lower pop servers, which it looks like Dynamis and Oceanic have progressed stage 3 now, so that was probably as much to do with how early they triggered than anything else, so it isn't a massively insurmountable task. But it being hardcore or uninviting is not one of those issues, you can literally still go in there, comfortably get relics, level your DoH/L and progress your server.

It's almost sad that our bar for something being hardcore is something that expects we play the game and not just copy and paste a macro, or zergfest a legendary node with all of our GP, and instead need to manage it a little.

Eh... if this is what Ishgard Restoration was like, than I suppose I should be glad I missed out on that too for Maduin and only showed up after it was all done.

There just isn't anything about Cosmic Exploration that sounds enjoyable to me personally and I'm better served doing other kinds of gathering and crafting content I consider more casual. Ironically, I've never used macros, because I don't really know how to set them up, but then it never seemed necessary for society quests/custom deliveries anyway.

I also honestly forgot Cordials even existed because I've never had to use them, but that's true of potions and food in general where they just felt like gil sinks with minimal benefit so I always just vendored any that the game gave me.

[Kaurhz]

Eh... if this is what Ishgard Restoration was like, than I suppose I should be glad I missed out on that too for Maduin and only showed up after it was all done.

There just isn't anything about Cosmic Exploration that sounds enjoyable to me personally and I'm better served doing other kinds of gathering and crafting content I consider more casual. Ironically, I've never used macros, because I don't really know how to set them up, but then it never seemed necessary for society quests/custom deliveries anyway.

I also honestly forgot Cordials even existed because I've never had to use them, but that's true of potions and food in general where they just felt like gil sinks with minimal benefit so I always just vendored any that the game gave me.

So when I say unbalanced, I am mostly referring to the fact that Ishgard levelling was too fast, so it sort of defeats the purpose of levelling inside of Cosmic for the most part, as once the server progression is over, most people are most likely just going to level inside of whatever content is the fastest as they always do.. the issues I described about missions etc., are to do with Cosmic (Ishgard from what I remember wasn't really mission-driven, sorry if you thought that was referring to ishgard). If they were more closely aligned in terms of levelling then wouldn't be an issue.

Ishgard was sort of worse than Cosmic though, in that... Ishgard had 6 recipes for the entirety of progression of a given phase... You had 1 level 80 recipe, and then an expert recipe for level 80, so you were farming the exact same recipe ad nauseum for the currency, and if you were intending to rank top 12 you were most likely doing it via expert recipes unless you were on a dead server... But in principle it was sort of the same.. You had your entry recipes, then you had your expert recipe, so if you saw this as an all or nothing content then you would probably have seen it the same with Ishgard since the pinnacle was experts, much like how the pinnacle in Cosmic is your A1-3 recipes (and most of them that are needed for the relic, and those that are the most efficient are honestly not much more difficult than your Archeo gear... This is why I push back on people that say it is hardcore content, because if you could do Archeo and Ceremonial, then you should have no issues doing quite a few of the A-1/A-2 recipes for the relic and just targeting those, and the only reason they shouldn't be able to, is if they only ever copied a macro and didn't bother learning why)

From what I've experienced with gathering, that largely seems better in Diadem than what it is in Cosmic, just simply due to the fact that it wasn't mission-driven, so you just consistently hopped node-to-node, and managed your GP for the integrity nodes... The nodes had a very specific spawn pattern.