I figured out the state of MCH

[Reginald_Cain]

Yes really. That isn't a huge difference, fust a few hundred rDPS.

The difference between top and bottom melee is bigger, and difference between top of bottom caster (even when splitting that role up in with/without rez) is bigger.
There will always be one job the lowest dps. And as long as that isn't lowest by a very large margin that is just how it is. MCH doesn't have any god given rights to have top rDPS of the rphys jobs.

What about the fact melees are balanced around having an aoe damage buffs or not? Samurai and viper are stupid easy but get to deal fat damage for being selfish. Ninjas weak because the devs seem to still think it has a party buffs every minute and it doesn't and needs buffs. Machinist is the most neglected job in. The game for 3 expansions. It has a horrible disjointed aoe kit, no aoe raid buffs and is much harder to play than dancer. It SHOULD ABSOLUTELY be out damaging at least the other phys ranged. Your statement about is is nonsensical and keep the job in purgatory.

[Valence]

What about the fact melees are balanced around having an aoe damage buffs or not? Samurai and viper are stupid easy but get to deal fat damage for being selfish. Ninjas weak because the devs seem to still think it has a party buffs every minute and it doesn't and needs buffs. Machinist is the most neglected job in. The game for 3 expansions. It has a horrible disjointed aoe kit, no aoe raid buffs and is much harder to play than dancer. It SHOULD ABSOLUTELY be out damaging at least the other phys ranged. Your statement about is is nonsensical and keep the job in purgatory.

Check out cDPS charts. MCH already outdamages the other rphys below 70p on M5S, and still continues outdamaging DNC by very little on M7S. It's completely garbage on M6S however, and seems to lag behind in every percentile for now on M8S. So what does this tell us?

1) MCH AoE kit is garbage. Beyond questionable gameplay loop and design, it just doesn't pump enough damage, so we end up with the job griefing in M6S.
2) MCH is able to outdamage other rphys in non optimized comps and groups, and it tends to show notably on M5S which is the entry gate of the tier. Even in M7S it still beats DNC by a thin margin, and only falls behind in M8S, where the competition is way higher as usual. With this in mind it means that taking MCH in non optimized duties actually performs better because heavy buffers lile BRD and DNC lose a lot of their total potential with parties that don't take advantage of it fully.
3) So all of this isn't that clear cut when comparing every job within the role, and the only thing that actually is, is that all of rphys is trash tier. No surprise here for anyone.

The second point especially hints at how unsustainable it is to have a selfish DPS in a role designed for heavy buffers. Said heavy buffers still suck ass in the party contribution department, but their profile also follows completely different rules than for a (gimped) selfish DPS like MCH.

[aiqa]

What about the fact melees are balanced around having an aoe damage buffs or not?

That is already included in the rDPS metric.

So what does this tell us?

MCH already does way higher personal AoE damage than either BRD or DNC, and doesn't do badly compared to most other jobs. But raid buffs are not balanced around AoE in raid content. Compared to other fights it's not that MCH underperforms hugely in M6S, raid buffs are overperforming. And I doubt it's possible to reasonably balance that by buffing MCH AoE damage. To get MCH, BRD and DNC similar rDPS in every fight, they'll need similar ways to contribute to rDPS. So all, or none, need raid buffs.

all of rphys is trash tier

Pretty much yes. Even with their hugely overperforming raid buffs in M6S, BRD and DNC can barely keep up with other dps roles.

[Carstien]

That is already included in the rDPS metric.



MCH already does way higher personal AoE damage than either BRD or DNC, and doesn't do badly compared to most other jobs. But raid buffs are not balanced around AoE in raid content. Compared to other fights it's not that MCH underperforms hugely in M6S, raid buffs are overperforming. And I doubt it's possible to reasonably balance that by buffing MCH AoE damage. To get MCH, BRD and DNC similar rDPS in every fight, they'll need similar ways to contribute to rDPS. So all, or none, need raid buffs.



Pretty much yes. Even with their hugely overperforming raid buffs in M6S, BRD and DNC can barely keep up with other dps roles.

If it was raid buffs overperforming then VPR wouldn't be overwhelmingly higher than anything else with no raid buffs. Please use your brain.

Selfish jobs can do very good on that fight, the two highest are both jobs with no raid buffs so how can raid buffs be the problem?

[Valence]

If it was raid buffs overperforming then VPR wouldn't be overwhelmingly higher than anything else with no raid buffs. Please use your brain.

Selfish jobs can do very good on that fight, the two highest are both jobs with no raid buffs so how can raid buffs be the problem?

I think you should read the post you're quoting again. I'm pretty sure it says that even with raid buffs helping them more in those AoE situations, BRD and DNC still struggle nonetheless.
MCH still sucks because MCH is a rphys that tries to pretend it's a selfish job. A rphys selfish job suffers from the downsides of both worlds.